[NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
João Carlos Rebello Caribé
caribe at entropia.blog.br
Tue Dec 23 13:31:23 CET 2014
Avri,
I argued Josep (Constituency Travel) about that and he told me to book on the date I need and when he will be advised by "out of policy" message from Egencia, he will review and approve.
Bill,
I'm quite confused about the dates of meetings, our last one will be the outreach meeting on Wednesday 14 or Tuesday 13?
Regards,
Em 22/12/2014, às 22:52, William Drake escreveu:
> Hi
>
>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was worried about the ability to fly out Tuesday. The invitation says I have to fly then.
>>
>> Approved date of departure: Tuesday, 13 January 2015
>>
>
> Huh. Odd. Don’t know why, mine says Wednesday, which is what we were promised. A failure to communicate somewhere. Will inquire.
>
> Bill
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 22-Dec-14 11:19, William Drake wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with being responsble for an issue. IANA seems appropriate for me.
>>>
>>> Ok great
>>>>
>>>> I am still uncertain what the schedule requirements for this are. And whether they will support the extra night in the hotel for someone who can get home on a 10PM flight the night before. the invite does not say they will.
>>>
>>> Again, the offer from Hoggarth is that they will pay for an extra night of hotel for those people who cannot get flights out Wednesday after the outreach meeting ends noonish. I don’t qualify, and if there’s a night flight that’d work for you then I presume you wouldn’t either. But if you wanted to press for an exception to the rule I guess you could take it up directly with Rob.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22-Dec-14 10:04, William Drake wrote:
>>>>> Hi from Chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let’s invite L. Gordon Crovitch ;-)
>>>>>>> I’d like to get my hands on him….
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, politics aside, I’d prefer to steer clear of anyone who has his minions produce a self-important Wikipedia entry.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve received several concrete suggestions of names but could use more, with affiliations and email addresses please. After we get our travel details sorted and over the holiday hump I’ll send back a proposed invite list and letter that staff can blast out like ten days before the meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> In terms of content, again I’d suggest skipping the what is ICANN org chart thing and go straight to the distributed presentation of 3 minute issue intros connecting our issues with stuff folks there might care about, followed by open conversation. A priori I’d expect a more focused and substantive discussion than what we managed in London and LA if we manage to herd in a bunch of beltway policy wonks.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you folks think we should cover, and who’d be interested in taking which piece? Would this be a good starting point? Topics to add? In total I don’t think we should talk ‘at’ them for more than 30 minutes if that before going to discussion, if we got even a third of the names on last year’s Fadi list I suspect we’d have robust engagement from visitors...
>>>>>
>>>>> IANA (Avri?)
>>>>> Accountability (Matt?)
>>>>> Human rights generally (Marilia?)
>>>>> Privacy (Stephanie?)
>>>>> FoE & 'Internet freedom’ as locals call it (Walid?)
>>>>> Access to knowledge/IPR/trademark (Kathy?)
>>>>> Development (Rafik?)
>>>>> IG generally, NMI, etc (Bill?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt, any news on whether CDT’s office would be available like 10am - noon on Wed. 14th? What staff have lined up for us now is a room at Wiley Rein that sits about 20-24 people, so a) we’d definitely need to cull the invite list and b) this would be in a rather odd environment for a CS meeting….
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy holidays, as applicable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:14 AM
>>>>>> To: William Drake
>>>>>> Cc: Milton L Mueller; Matt Shears; Walid AL-SAQAF; Marilia Maciel; Exec. Comm; Stephanie Perrin; Amr Elsadr; Edward Morris; Avri Doria; Kathy Kleiman; Joy Liddicoat; David Cake
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess the list will be shrinked somehow :) I don't think we can consider ISOC as civil society for example. we can try to invite those folks (anyway nobody talked about inviting CP80 anyway) and see if they can confirm their attendance. even if we don't expect CFR, heritage or Hudson to join us, at least we can let them and others know there is already group of CS people involved for years in ICANN and having expertise. just recall the letter sent about IANA transition (http://oti.newamerica.net/blogposts/2014/oti_sends_letter_to_congress_on_the_dotcom_bill_and_the_iana_transition-107726)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> as names , Joy suggested to check with APC members in USA, Kathy suggested Rebecca recommendations (and she wrote about NCUC before) . I can suggest Susan Aaronson .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we have 3 weeks before this meeting and I would expect us to have some points to present to those folks.
>>>>>> what would interest DC folks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014-12-16 17:47 GMT+09:00 William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>:
>>>>>> Hi Milton
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the input, sorry you’re shocked. As I said, we’re unlikely to be able fit all the all the people below in the room with us, and people are providing other names as well. So I was suggesting we prioritize and invite in tranches, in which case I’d think we’d start with people who might conceivably be open to getting involved with us, which is sort of the purpose of an outreach meeting. But I don’t care enough either way to debate it with you, so we could instead invite broadly and whoever RSVPs first and gets into the room, that’s who we have. Send any names you like from Cato, Heritage, CP80, House Republican staff, whatever, and I’ll pass their details to ICANN for the invite blast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill.
>>>>>> It’s really wrong and even shocking for you to suggest dropping people from the list because you don’t like their ideology. I don’t see anyone on that list who doesn’t share some core values of NCUC regarding internet freedom.
>>>>>> Either we are the noncommercial stakeholders group or we are something else. If the people involved are involved in nonprofit advocacy groups and are eligible for NCUC membership they should be invited, full stop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --MM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org [mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] On Behalf Of William Drake
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:20 AM
>>>>>> To: Exec. Comm
>>>>>> Cc: Matt Shears; Marilia Maciel; Stephanie Perrin; Amr Elsadr; Avri Doria; Edward Morris; Kathy Kleiman; Joy Liddicoat; David Cake
>>>>>> Subject: [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As we’ve discussed, there will be an NCUC civil society outreach meeting in DC the morning of Wed. 14 January, after the NCPH meeting. Probably we’ll do 10-1pm, we’ll see. Think it will be in some law office, the ICANN office is not available. More on that later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, for the covered travelers, if you cannot get an afternoon or evening flight out on the 14th, ICANN will cover your hotel that night. Once Constituency Travel starts to get in touch on this and you’ve worked out your itinerary, please let me and Rob Hoggarth know if you will be needing hotel for that night.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’d like to do something similar to what we tried at the LA outreach meeting, but better—have a number of people teed up to speak 3 minutes each on some of the issues we work on, hold all Q&A until the end and then go to an integrative freewheeling discussion. Since the folks we will be inviting are generally pretty up to speed beltway mavens, we won’t need to do a lot of what is ICANN introductory nonsense…just get to what we’re doing and then have discussion and say if you’re into knowing more or maybe even joining please be in touch. We’ll sort this out going forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Below is the list of people that the ICANN DC office invited to meet with Fadi when he was in DC in January for the State of the Net Conference. A number of these it’d be good to invite again, but some I’d drop, e.g. people from conservative think tanks and such who neither share our views nor are going to get involved with us. I don’t know exactly how many bodies the room we’ll have can accommodate, am waiting for an answer on that from Rob and Chris, but am guessing we’d want a mix like a dozen of us and two dozen external folks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depending on the numbers, we may not be able to accommodate all the bodies we can name, or might have to do it in waves, i.e. invite a first tranche and if some say no then invite others. We’ll figure it out. What I want to know now is, are there DC public interest activists and friendly analysts you can think of who are not listed and might conceivably be interested in meeting with us to hear what we’re into etc? If so, please send me their names, affiliations and email addresses to fold into the list, and then we’ll sort out later who’s in our first tranche etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brigner Paul Internet Society (ISOC) Regional Director North America Bureau
>>>>>> Solomon Brett Access Executive Director
>>>>>> Kimmelman Gene Public Knowledge President
>>>>>> Beach Tim Georgetown Director, Program in Science, Technology, and International Affairs
>>>>>> Hoffman Lance George Washington Director, Computer Science Department
>>>>>> Zaychenko Elizaveta American Enterprise Institute Tech Policy Intern
>>>>>> Eisenach Jeffrey American Enterprise Institute Director, Center for Internet, Communications, and Technology Policy
>>>>>> Nojeim Gregory Center for Democracy and Technology Director, Project on Freedom, Security & Technology
>>>>>> Lewis James Center for Strategic and International Studies Director and Senior Fellow, Strategic Technologies Program
>>>>>> DeNardis Laura American University Professor, School of Communications
>>>>>> Lordan Tim Internet Education Foundation Executive Director
>>>>>> Burger Eric Georgetown Research Professor of Computer Science and Director, Georgetown Center for Secure Communications
>>>>>> Dourado Eli George Mason Research Fellow, Tech Policy, Mercatus Center, George Mason Univ.
>>>>>> Levin Blair Aspen Institute Fellow, Aspen Institute
>>>>>> Atkinson Robert ITIF President, ITIF
>>>>>> Brown Kathryn ISOC CEO, ISOC
>>>>>> Kornbluh Karen CFR Senior Fellow for Digital Policy
>>>>>> West Darrell Brookings Vice President and Director, Governance Studies; Founding Director, Center for Technology Innovation
>>>>>> O'Connor Nuala CDT President & CEO
>>>>>> McDowell Robert Hudson Institute Visiting Fellow (and 5th panel member)
>>>>>> Lenard Thomas Technology Policy Institute President
>>>>>> Maciel Marilia Center for Technology and Society, Getulio Vargas Foundation Project Leader/Researcher/Assistant Professor of IP Law
>>>>>> Tim Maurer Open Technology Institute
>>>>>> Kehl Danielle New America Foundation
>>>>>> Sascha Meinrath New America Foundation
>>>>>> Holmes Wilson Fight for the Future
>>>>>> Pedro Abramovay Open Society Foundations
>>>>>> Yeh Jennifer Free Press Policy Counsel
>>>>>> Craig Aaron Free Press
>>>>>> Matt Wood Free Press
>>>>>> Rebecca MacKinnon New America and GNI
>>>>>> Catalina Botero OAS Special Rappourter
>>>>>> Kilic Burcu Public Citizen
>>>>>> Cerda Alberto Derechos Digitales and Georgetown Univ.
>>>>>> Daniel Weitzner MIT
>>>>>> Vasdev Samhir World Bank Innovation and Design Consultant, Open Technology Alliance
>>>>>> Pohl Rachel Aspen Institute
>>>>>> Rossini Carolina Public Knowledge
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