[NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
Avri Doria
avri at acm.org
Mon Dec 22 17:49:39 CET 2014
Hi,
I was worried about the ability to fly out Tuesday. The invitation says
I have to fly then.
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Approved date of departure: *Tuesday, 13 January 2015
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*
*avri*
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On 22-Dec-14 11:19, William Drake wrote:
> Hi
>
>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG
>> <mailto:avri at ACM.ORG>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am fine with being responsble for an issue. IANA seems appropriate
>> for me.
>
> Ok great
>>
>> I am still uncertain what the schedule requirements for this are.
>> And whether they will support the extra night in the hotel for
>> someone who can get home on a 10PM flight the night before. the
>> invite does not say they will.
>
> Again, the offer from Hoggarth is that they will pay for an extra
> night of hotel for those people who cannot get flights out Wednesday
> after the outreach meeting ends noonish. I don’t qualify, and if
> there’s a night flight that’d work for you then I presume you wouldn’t
> either. But if you wanted to press for an exception to the rule I
> guess you could take it up directly with Rob.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22-Dec-14 10:04, William Drake wrote:
>>> Hi from Chicago
>>>
>>>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu
>>>>> <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let’s invite L. Gordon Crovitch ;-)
>>>>> I’d like to get my hands on him….
>>>
>>> Personally, politics aside, I’d prefer to steer clear of anyone who
>>> has his minions produce a self-important Wikipedia entry.
>>>
>>> I’ve received several concrete suggestions of names but could use
>>> more, with affiliations and email addresses please. After we get our
>>> travel details sorted and over the holiday hump I’ll send back a
>>> proposed invite list and letter that staff can blast out like ten
>>> days before the meeting.
>>>
>>> In terms of content, again I’d suggest skipping the what is ICANN
>>> org chart thing and go straight to the distributed presentation of 3
>>> minute issue intros connecting our issues with stuff folks there
>>> might care about, followed by open conversation. A priori I’d
>>> expect a more focused and substantive discussion than what we
>>> managed in London and LA if we manage to herd in a bunch of beltway
>>> policy wonks.
>>>
>>> What do you folks think we should cover, and who’d be interested in
>>> taking which piece? Would this be a good starting point? Topics to
>>> add? In total I don’t think we should talk ‘at’ them for more than
>>> 30 minutes if that before going to discussion, if we got even a
>>> third of the names on last year’s Fadi list I suspect we’d have
>>> robust engagement from visitors...
>>>
>>> 1. IANA (Avri?)
>>> 2. Accountability (Matt?)
>>> 3. Human rights generally (Marilia?)
>>> 4. Privacy (Stephanie?)
>>> 5. FoE & 'Internet freedom’ as locals call it (Walid?)
>>> 6. Access to knowledge/IPR/trademark (Kathy?)
>>> 7. Development (Rafik?)
>>> 8. IG generally, NMI, etc (Bill?)
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt, any news on whether CDT’s office would be available like 10am
>>> - noon on Wed. 14th? What staff have lined up for us now is a room
>>> at Wiley Rein that sits about 20-24 people, so a) we’d definitely
>>> need to cull the invite list and b) this would be in a rather odd
>>> environment for a CS meeting….
>>>
>>> Happy holidays, as applicable.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>> *From:* Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2014 7:14 AM
>>>> *To:* William Drake
>>>> *Cc:* Milton L Mueller; Matt Shears; Walid AL-SAQAF; Marilia
>>>> Maciel; Exec. Comm; Stephanie Perrin; Amr Elsadr; Edward Morris;
>>>> Avri Doria; Kathy Kleiman; Joy Liddicoat; David Cake
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach
>>>> meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I guess the list will be shrinked somehow :) I don't think we can
>>>> consider ISOC as civil society for example. we can try to invite
>>>> those folks (anyway nobody talked about inviting CP80 anyway) and
>>>> see if they can confirm their attendance. even if we don't expect
>>>> CFR, heritage or Hudson to join us, at least we can let them and
>>>> others know there is already group of CS people involved for years
>>>> in ICANN and having expertise. just recall the letter sent about
>>>> IANA transition
>>>> (http://oti.newamerica.net/blogposts/2014/oti_sends_letter_to_congress_on_the_dotcom_bill_and_the_iana_transition-107726)
>>>>
>>>> as names , Joy suggested to check with APC members in USA, Kathy
>>>> suggested Rebecca recommendations (and she wrote about NCUC before)
>>>> . I can suggest Susan Aaronson .
>>>>
>>>> we have 3 weeks before this meeting and I would expect us to have
>>>> some points to present to those folks.
>>>> what would interest DC folks?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2014-12-16 17:47 GMT+09:00 William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch
>>>> <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Milton
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the input, sorry you’re shocked. As I said, we’re
>>>> unlikely to be able fit all the all the people below in the
>>>> room with us, and people are providing other names as well. So
>>>> I was suggesting we prioritize and invite in tranches, in which
>>>> case I’d think we’d start with people who might conceivably be
>>>> open to getting involved with us, which is sort of the purpose
>>>> of an outreach meeting. But I don’t care enough either way to
>>>> debate it with you, so we could instead invite broadly and
>>>> whoever RSVPs first and gets into the room, that’s who we
>>>> have. Send any names you like from Cato, Heritage, CP80, House
>>>> Republican staff, whatever, and I’ll pass their details to
>>>> ICANN for the invite blast.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Milton L Mueller
>>>> <mueller at syr.edu <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bill.
>>>> It’s really wrong and even shocking for you to suggest
>>>> dropping people from the list because you don’t like their
>>>> ideology. I don’t see anyone on that list who doesn’t share
>>>> some core values of NCUC regarding internet freedom.
>>>> Either we are the noncommercial stakeholders group or we
>>>> are something else. If the people involved are involved in
>>>> nonprofit advocacy groups and are eligible for NCUC
>>>> membership they should be invited, full stop.
>>>>
>>>> --MM
>>>>
>>>> *From:* ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org
>>>> <mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> [mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *William Drake
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 9:20 AM
>>>> *To:* Exec. Comm
>>>> *Cc:* Matt Shears; Marilia Maciel; Stephanie Perrin; Amr
>>>> Elsadr; Avri Doria; Edward Morris; Kathy Kleiman; Joy
>>>> Liddicoat; David Cake
>>>> *Subject:* [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach
>>>> meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
>>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> As we’ve discussed, there will be an NCUC civil society
>>>> outreach meeting in DC the morning of Wed. 14 January,
>>>> after the NCPH meeting. Probably we’ll do 10-1pm, we’ll
>>>> see. Think it will be in some law office, the ICANN office
>>>> is not available. More on that later.
>>>>
>>>> Again, for the covered travelers, if you cannot get an
>>>> afternoon or evening flight out on the 14th, ICANN will
>>>> cover your hotel that night. Once Constituency Travel
>>>> starts to get in touch on this and you’ve worked out your
>>>> itinerary, please let me and Rob Hoggarth know if you will
>>>> be needing hotel for that night.
>>>>
>>>> I’d like to do something similar to what we tried at the LA
>>>> outreach meeting, but better—have a number of people teed
>>>> up to speak 3 minutes each on some of the issues we work
>>>> on, hold all Q&A until the end and then go to an
>>>> integrative freewheeling discussion. Since the folks we
>>>> will be inviting are generally pretty up to speed beltway
>>>> mavens, we won’t need to do a lot of what is ICANN
>>>> introductory nonsense…just get to what we’re doing and then
>>>> have discussion and say if you’re into knowing more or
>>>> maybe even joining please be in touch. We’ll sort this out
>>>> going forward.
>>>>
>>>> Below is the list of people that the ICANN DC office
>>>> invited to meet with Fadi when he was in DC in January for
>>>> the State of the Net Conference. A number of these it’d be
>>>> good to invite again, but some I’d drop, e.g. people from
>>>> conservative think tanks and such who neither share our
>>>> views nor are going to get involved with us. I don’t know
>>>> exactly how many bodies the room we’ll have can
>>>> accommodate, am waiting for an answer on that from Rob and
>>>> Chris, but am guessing we’d want a mix like a dozen of us
>>>> and two dozen external folks?
>>>>
>>>> Depending on the numbers, we may not be able to accommodate
>>>> all the bodies we can name, or might have to do it in
>>>> waves, i.e. invite a first tranche and if some say no then
>>>> invite others. We’ll figure it out. What I want to know
>>>> now is, are there DC public interest activists and friendly
>>>> analysts you can think of who are not listed and might
>>>> conceivably be interested in meeting with us to hear what
>>>> we’re into etc? If so, please send me their names,
>>>> affiliations and email addresses to fold into the list, and
>>>> then we’ll sort out later who’s in our first tranche etc.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Brigner Paul Internet Society
>>>> (ISOC) Regional Director North America Bureau
>>>> 2. Solomon Brett Access Executive Director
>>>> 3. Kimmelman Gene Public Knowledge President
>>>> 4. Beach Tim Georgetown Director, Program in
>>>> Science, Technology, and International Affairs
>>>> 5. Hoffman Lance George Washington Director,
>>>> Computer Science Department
>>>> 6. Zaychenko Elizaveta American Enterprise
>>>> Institute Tech Policy Intern
>>>> 7. Eisenach Jeffrey American Enterprise
>>>> Institute Director, Center for Internet,
>>>> Communications, and Technology Policy
>>>> 8. Nojeim Gregory Center for Democracy and
>>>> Technology Director, Project on Freedom,
>>>> Security & Technology
>>>> 9. Lewis James Center for Strategic and International
>>>> Studies Director and Senior Fellow, Strategic
>>>> Technologies Program
>>>> 10. DeNardis Laura American University Professor,
>>>> School of Communications
>>>> 11. Lordan Tim Internet Education
>>>> Foundation Executive Director
>>>> 12. Burger Eric Georgetown Research
>>>> Professor of Computer Science and Director, Georgetown
>>>> Center for Secure Communications
>>>> 13. Dourado Eli George Mason Research Fellow,
>>>> Tech Policy, Mercatus Center, George Mason Univ.
>>>> 14. Levin Blair Aspen Institute Fellow, Aspen
>>>> Institute
>>>> 15. Atkinson Robert ITIF President, ITIF
>>>> 16. Brown Kathryn ISOC CEO, ISOC
>>>> 17. Kornbluh Karen CFR Senior Fellow for Digital
>>>> Policy
>>>> 18. West Darrell Brookings Vice President and
>>>> Director, Governance Studies; Founding Director, Center
>>>> for Technology Innovation
>>>> 19. O'Connor Nuala CDT President & CEO
>>>> 20. McDowell Robert Hudson Institute Visiting
>>>> Fellow (and 5th panel member)
>>>> 21. Lenard Thomas Technology Policy
>>>> Institute President
>>>> 22. Maciel Marilia Center for Technology and
>>>> Society, Getulio Vargas Foundation Project
>>>> Leader/Researcher/Assistant Professor of IP Law
>>>> 23. Tim Maurer Open Technology Institute
>>>> 24. Kehl Danielle New America Foundation
>>>> 25. Sascha Meinrath New America
>>>> Foundation
>>>> 26. Holmes Wilson Fight for the
>>>> Future
>>>> 27. Pedro Abramovay Open Society
>>>> Foundations
>>>> 28. Yeh Jennifer Free Press Policy Counsel
>>>> 29. Craig Aaron Free Press
>>>> 30. Matt Wood Free Press
>>>> 31. Rebecca MacKinnon New America and
>>>> GNI
>>>> 32. Catalina Botero OAS Special
>>>> Rappourter
>>>> 33. Kilic Burcu Public Citizen
>>>> 34. Cerda Alberto Derechos Digitales and
>>>> Georgetown Univ.
>>>> 35. Daniel Weitzner MIT
>>>> 36. Vasdev Samhir World Bank Innovation and
>>>> Design Consultant, Open Technology Alliance
>>>> 37. Pohl Rachel Aspen Institute
>>>> 38. Rossini Carolina Public Knowledge
>>>>
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