[Ec-ncuc] NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP

Tue Sep 27 00:19:07 CEST 2011

This is great!   I'd like to make one suggestion, along the lines of what MM has said about making one direct statement of our main concern.  So I'd like to propose replacing the first 2 sentences in the 3rd paragraph to be a bit more pointed in our response.

Propose replacing this language in the letter (3rd paragraph):
"... It has lately come to our attention, however, that the views of the GAC on the UDRP were drafted with the solicitation and advise submitted not by the entire groups represented at the GNSO Council. NCUC is very concerned with this process."

with this language:

"NCUC is concerned that certain GNSO stakeholders were provided access to drafts of GAC Communiques and permitted to help shape the views of the entire GAC, while other stakeholders, including NCUC, were not afforded such preferential access and opportunity to directly dialogue with the GAC on their views on the UDRP.  The preferential treatment of certain stakeholders consulted in the process of drafting the GAC Communique is troubling to noncommercial users and appears to undermine ICANN's multi-stakeholder model of checks and balances and its ability to serve the public interest." 

Resisted the urge to call out IPC by name and call them "certain stakeholders" instead.

My 2 cents,
Robin

On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Konstantinos Komaitis wrote:

> Latest version attached.
> 
> KK
> 
> From: Brenden Kuerbis <bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org<mailto:bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org>>
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:20:08 +0100
> To: Milton L Mueller <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>>
> Cc: Konstantinos Komaitis <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>, "EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>" <ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>, "Avri org>" <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>, "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>" <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>, Wendy Seltzer <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Ec-ncuc] NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
> 
> Yes, that's what I was thinking.   And I agree adding the "destabilizing" bullet point is important.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
> I think many people are assuming that they might read the cover letter and be too lazy to actually read the comments, so they are trying to get the bullet points in the cover letter. I have no strong opinion on which approach is best.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Konstantinos Komaitis [mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>]
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:06 PM
>> To: Brenden Kuerbis
>> Cc: Milton L Mueller; EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>; Avri org>; William Drake;
>> Rafik Dammak; Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>; Wendy Seltzer
>> Subject: Re: [Ec-ncuc] NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>> 
>> Thanks for this Brenden - I hadn't realized that we would use the same
>> language as in the public comments. I think that with this repetition,
>> they will definitely not read the public comments we made. What do
>> others think?
>> 
>> KK
>> 
>> From: Brenden Kuerbis
>> <bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org<mailto:bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org><mailto:bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org<mailto:bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org>>
>>> 
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:01:04 +0100
>> To: Konstantinos Komaitis
>> <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>>
>> Cc: Milton L Mueller <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>>>, "EC-
>> NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>" <ec-
>> ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>, "Avri org>"
>> <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>>, William Drake
>> <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>>, Rafik Dammak
>> <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>>,
>> "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>"
>> <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>, Wendy Seltzer
>> <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>>
>> Subject: Re: [Ec-ncuc] NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>> 
>> Suggested edits attached.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Milton L Mueller
>> <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu><mailto:mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>>> wrote:
>> Perfect!
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Konstantinos Komaitis
>>> [mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>]
>>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:52 AM
>>> To: Milton L Mueller;
>>> EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>
>>> Cc: Avri org>; Robin Gross; William Drake;
>>> Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>; Wendy Seltzer;
>>> Rafik Dammak
>>> Subject: Re: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>>> 
>>> Forgot to attach :)
>>> 
>>> KK
>>> 
>>> From: Konstantinos Komaitis
>>> <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>><mailto:k.koma<mailto:k.koma>
>>> itis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:itis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:50:54 +0100
>>> To: Milton L Mueller
>>> <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto
>>> :mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>>>>, "EC-
>>> NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org>><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice>
>>> .org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>>" <ec-
>>> ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org>><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice>
>>> .org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>>
>>> Cc: "Avri org>"
>>> <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm<mailto:avri at acm>
>>> .org>>>, Robin Gross
>>> <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>><mailto:robin at ipjustic<mailto:robin at ipjustic>
>>> e.org<http://e.org><mailto:robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>>>, William Drake
>>> <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>><mailto:william.drak<mailto:william.drak>
>>> e at uzh.ch<mailto:e at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>>>,
>>> 
>> "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA<mailto:Mary.Wong at LA>
>> W.UNH.EDU<http://W.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>"
>>> <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong@<mailto:Mary.Wong@>
>>> LAW.UNH.EDU<http://LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>>, Wendy Seltzer
>>> <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><
>>> mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>>>, Rafik Dammak
>>> <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>><mailto:rafik.da<mailto:rafik.da>
>>> mmak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:mmak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>>>
>>> Subject: Re: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>>> 
>>> Shorter, amended version.
>>> 
>>> KK
>>> 
>>> From: Milton L Mueller
>>> <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto
>>> :mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:24:48 +0100
>>> To: Konstantinos Komaitis
>>> <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>><mailto:k.koma<mailto:k.koma>
>>> itis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:itis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>>>, Milton L Mueller
>>> <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto
>>> :mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>>>>, "EC-
>>> NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org>><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice>
>>> .org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>>" <ec-
>>> ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org>><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice>
>>> .org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>>
>>> Cc: "Avri org>"
>>> <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm<mailto:avri at acm>
>>> .org>>>, Robin Gross
>>> <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>><mailto:robin at ipjustic<mailto:robin at ipjustic>
>>> e.org<http://e.org><mailto:robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>>>, William Drake
>>> <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>><mailto:william.drak<mailto:william.drak>
>>> e at uzh.ch<mailto:e at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>>>,
>>> 
>> "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA<mailto:Mary.Wong at LA>
>> W.UNH.EDU<http://W.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>"
>>> <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong@<mailto:Mary.Wong@>
>>> LAW.UNH.EDU<http://LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>>, Wendy Seltzer
>>> <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><
>>> mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>>>, Rafik Dammak
>>> <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>><mailto:rafik.da<mailto:rafik.da>
>>> mmak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:mmak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>>>
>>> Subject: Re: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>>> 
>>> Up to you, but I don't think it burns any bridges to be simple &
>>> direct about what the letter is about. The risk otherwise is that they
>>> just don't read it.
>>> 
>>> Milton Mueller
>>> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: Konstantinos Komaitis
>>> <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>><mailto:k.koma<mailto:k.koma>
>>> itis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:itis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>>>
>>> To: Milton L Mueller
>>> <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu><mailto:mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>><mailto:mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu><mailto
>>> :mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>>>>, "EC-
>>> NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org>><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice>
>>> .org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>>" <ec-
>>> ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org>><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice>
>>> .org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>>
>>> Cc: "Avri org>"
>>> <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm<mailto:avri at acm>
>>> .org>>>, Robin Gross
>>> <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>><mailto:robin at ipjustic<mailto:robin at ipjustic>
>>> e.org<http://e.org><mailto:robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>>>, William Drake
>>> <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>><mailto:william.drak<mailto:william.drak>
>>> e at uzh.ch<mailto:e at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>>>,
>>> 
>> "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA<mailto:Mary.Wong at LA>
>> W.UNH.EDU<http://W.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>"
>>> <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong@<mailto:Mary.Wong@>
>>> LAW.UNH.EDU<http://LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>>, Wendy Seltzer
>>> <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><
>>> mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>>>, Rafik Dammak
>>> <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>><mailto:rafik.da<mailto:rafik.da>
>>> mmak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:mmak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>>>
>>> Sent: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 13:15:51 GMT+00:00
>>> Subject: Re: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>>> 
>>> At this stage, I would prefer if we were to send a polite letter to
>>> the GAC instead of cutting bridges before we even started our dialogue
>>> with them.I could cut it shorter and insist on the point of the GAC
>>> has consulted with the IPC only - my understanding is that the Ry's
>>> and Rr's have not been consulted on this letter - am I wrong?
>>> 
>>> KK
>>> 
>>> From: Milton L Mueller
>>> <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto
>>> :mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>>><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:01:51 +0100
>>> To: Konstantinos Komaitis
>>> <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>><mailto:k.koma<mailto:k.koma>
>>> itis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:itis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>><mailto:k.komait<mailto:k.komait><mai
>>> lto:k.komait> is at strath.ac.uk<mailto:is at strath.ac.uk><mailto:is at strath.ac.uk<mailto:is at strath.ac.uk>>>>,
>>> "EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>><mailto:EC-<mailto:EC-><mailto
>>> :EC->
>>> NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org>>><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustic<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustic>
>>> e.org<http://e.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>>" <ec-
>>> ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org>><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice>
>>> .org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>><mailto:ec-<mailto:ec-><mailto:ec-<mailto:ec->>
>>> ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>>
>>> Cc: "Avri org>"
>>> <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm<mailto:avri at acm>
>>> .org>><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>>>, Robin Gross
>> <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>><mailto:robin at ipjustice<mailto:robin at ipjustice>.
>> org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>><mailto:robin at ipjustice<mailto:robin at ipjustice><mailto:robin at ipj<mailto:robin at ipj>
>> ustice>.
>>> org>>, William Drake
>>> <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>><mailto:william.drak<mailto:william.drak>
>>> e at uzh.ch<mailto:e at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>><mailto:william.drake@<mailto:william.drake@><mailto:wi<mailto:wi>
>>> lliam.drake@>
>>> uzh.ch<http://uzh.ch><http://uzh.ch>>>,
>>> "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong@<mailto:Mary.Wong@>
>>> LAW.UNH.EDU<http://LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA<mailto:Mary.Wong at LA><mailto:
>>> Mary.Wong at LA>
>>> W.UNH.EDU<http://W.UNH.EDU><http://W.UNH.EDU>>"
>>> <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong@<mailto:Mary.Wong@>
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>>> Mary.Wong at LA> W.UNH.EDU<http://W.UNH.EDU><http://W.UNH.EDU>>>, Wendy Seltzer
>>> <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><
>>> mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltz<mailto:wendy at seltz>
>>> er.com<http://er.com>>>>,
>>> Rafik Dammak
>>> <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>><mailto:rafik.da<mailto:rafik.da>
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>>> o:rafik.damm>
>>> ak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:ak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:ak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:ak at GMAIL.COM>>>>
>>> Subject: RE: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>>> 
>>> I think the letter is too polite, too generic and too long. I think it
>>> should say, more simply, that the GAC does not seem to have consulted
>>> with stakeholders holding different viewpoints about the UDRP and so
>>> we are sending it our views.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Konstantinos Komaitis
>>> [mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>]
>>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:15 AM
>>> To:
>>> EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipj<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipj>
>>> ustice.org<http://ustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>><mailto:EC-<mailto:EC-><mailto:EC-<mailto:EC->>
>>> NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org>>>
>>> Cc: Avri org>; Robin Gross; William Drake;
>>> Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong at L<mailto:Mary.Wong at L>
>>> AW.UNH.EDU<http://AW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW><mailto:
>>> Mary.Wong at LAW> .UNH.EDU<http://UNH.EDU><http://UNH.EDU>>; Wendy Seltzer; Milton L
>>> Mueller; Rafik Dammak
>>> Subject: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP Dear all, I've drafted a
>>> cover letter to send to the GAC in relation to the UDRP, attaching at
>>> the end NCUC's comments during the public period. Given the time
>>> pressure to send this out to the GAC before the Dakar meeting, I don't
>>> think there is time for the whole list to review it. I am asking
>>> therefore the NCUC EC to tell me whether they agree on sending this to
>>> the GAC. As you may know, the GAC sent a statement to the GNSO
>>> requesting that the UDRP should not be reviewed; this statement was
>>> drafted by the IPC so we need to respond.
>>> Please edit and/or make any additions that you feel are necessary. I
>>> would like to send this to Heather by the end of the week so they can
>>> read it before the GNSO meet with them in Dakar.
>>> Many thanks
>>> KK
>>> --
>>> Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis,
>>> Senior Lecturer in Law,
>>> Director of LLM in Information Technology and Telems. Law, Director of
>>> Postgraduate Instructional Courses, ICANN NCUC Chair University of
>>> Strathclyde, Graham Hills Bld.
>>> 50 George Street,
>>> Glasgow, G1 1BA,
>>> UK
>>> tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306<tel:%2B44%20%280%29141%20548%204306><tel:%2B44%20%280%29141%20548%204306>
>>> email:
>>> k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>><mailto:k.komai<mailto:k.komai>
>>> tis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:tis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>><mailto:k.komaiti<mailto:k.komaiti><mai
>>> lto:k.komaiti> s at strath.ac.uk<mailto:s at strath.ac.uk><mailto:s at strath.ac.uk<mailto:s at strath.ac.uk>>>
>> 
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