[NCUC-DISCUSS] UPDATE about the North American EC Slot

Thu Jun 4 08:31:09 CEST 2020

A good point to note for members that may not be aware:

All of the actions of the EC are carried out on a publicly archived mailing list, there is full transparency on the actions of the EC here, no one is hiding anything.

NCSG https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-ec/ [https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-ec/]
NCUC https://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/2020-June/thread.html [https://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/2020-June/thread.html] 

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James Gannon
On 6/4/2020 7:26:27 AM, Vaibhav Aggarwal <va at bladebrains.com> wrote:
Greetings Dorthy, 

I never referred to Whites or blacks - I would never do. But I referring to my rights - this is a Cartel - a behavior which should be unacceptable by anyone : And best part is this is Politics - Started by Raphael who has nominated himself recently - I am just a scape goat for Electioneering - I am not even in the race am I ?? I am not supporting anyone - There is no humiliation with anyone - refer to the thread below - I am reproducing it - 
Remember, Truth should always prevail : irrespective of the risks :

now Raphaël says he will work with On barring me from NCUC list too : Smart isn’t it - One sided communication - Bar Vaibhav and let the matter cool down : then we will one way or the other cartel up & cancel his membership : I am a tough Guy right - I am happy to play :
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 03:36, U Of T via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is [https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec]> > wrote: > >> He has sent me such a direct complaint. No specifics of course. I guess >> i have to respond. He is demanding I make Milton apologize on the list. >> Advice welcome. >> Steph >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 2, 2020, at 20:29, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix < >> rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com [https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec]> wrote: >> >>  >> I got the confirmation from Rafik that Vaibhav is now on filter mode. >> >> I'll start another thread to deal with the technical side of that... >> >> But for the main issue, I suggest we leave it at that and filter >> everything until the election is over, and take a second look by then. >> >> Also, he seems to imply he wants to file a complaint against Milton. I >> guess we should still reply to that - something like if you want to file a >> complaint, you have to do it in writing to the Chair? >> >> Let me know. Hopefully with the filter in place and maybe a few more >> reminders if more people try to keep the discussion rolling, we can put >> that behind us and move on with our lives... >> >> Thanks, >> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 5:22 PM Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC < >> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is [https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec]> wrote: >> >>> Looks fine to me. Thanks for doing this Raphael! >>> >>> SP >>> On 2020-06-02 2:19 p.m., Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> This was not my initial interpretation of his message either, but I can >>> see how and why you can interpret it that way Steph. >>> >>> But I'm not sure that the point you are raising should be addressed in >>> the context of the EC. It has ramifications into both your history as a >>> NCSG chair, and the "issues" with our rigid gender rules that now put you >>> in a situation where you are (almost) elected by default. The >>> interpretation you put forward is legitimate in your circumstances, but it >>> has to be inferred, from a rather complex situation and long-standing >>> situation. Whats going on with Vaibhav though is rather straightforward and >>> can be addressed right away. >>> >>> This is what I plan to send him later today, with your agreement: >>> >>> "Vaibhav, >>> >>> We are writing to you regarding the post you made on the NCSG mailing >>> list at 11:50 EST in the "NCSG Election Clarifications" thread. >>> >>> After reviewing the content of your post, we find it to be in violation >>> of both the NCSG Charter and the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior. >>> >>> Article 1.2 d) of the NCSG Charter reads as follows: >>> "Behavioral expectations of all NCSG members, include without >>> limitation: adhering to ICANN Bylaws/Policies; supporting the bottom-up >>> consensus model; treating others with dignity, respect, and courtesy; >>> listening attentively and seeking to understand others; acting with >>> honesty, sincerity, and integrity." >>> >>> Your recent interventions on the mailing list were generally borderline >>> regarding these Charter committments, and the one we referred to above >>> constitutes a direct violation. >>> >>> We would kindly ask you to reconsider how you understand your >>> involvement with NCSG and withdraw the personal attacks, accusations and >>> threats you made in that post. >>> >>> Any further post on the NCSG mailing list which would be found in >>> violation of the NCSG Charter could lead to your suspension from the >>> mailing list and a further review of your membership status by the NCSG >>> Executive Committee. >>> >>> We thank you in advance for your cooperation on this matter. >>> >>> Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix, on behalf of the NCSG Executive Committee >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:53 PM Robin Gross via NCSG-EC < >>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is [https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec]> wrote: >>> >>>> I didn’t interpret Milton’s message as being hurtful but more of what >>>> we face every election - people imaging ways of using the existing ballot >>>> and rules to achieve various results. It isn’t the first time we’ve had >>>> abstain / NOTA conversations and probably won’t be the last. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Robin >>>> >>>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC < >>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is [https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I just responded to James' comment, in hopes that this would douse the >>>> flames. I also resent the thread of reminders about the election >>>> process....I trust it made it to the list. >>>> >>>> I agree that whoever this Agarwal guy is, an offlist note is required. >>>> I would really appreciate it if you did it, because frankly it looks like I >>>> am retaliating and might serve to escalate matters. >>>> >>>> I also think Milton is out of line. I am well aware of how much he >>>> would like me not to run, but to suggest to the list that they send me a >>>> message about how unwelcome I am, by voting abstain....well, besides being >>>> hurtful, I think it is a kind of electioneering that ought to be >>>> discouraged. Encourage people to vote for your candidate of choice, sure. >>>> >>>> I also think that encouraging me to step down so the EC can appoint the >>>> person they really want raises all kinds of questions about how fair the >>>> election process is. >>>> >>>> Just my two cents. >>>> >>>> SP >>>> On 2020-06-02 12:57 p.m., Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> What he said to Milton is disrespectful, and contains specific >>>> accusations as well as threats. I think he needs to be reminded off-list of >>>> the expected standards of behavior at ICANN and encouraged to withdraw what >>>> he said and eventually apologize. If he keeps lashing on, then to me thats >>>> a case of temporary suspension from the mailing list with further review on >>>> our side. >>>> >>>> Milton is harsh, and I also think he should exercise restraint in such >>>> circumstances, and it would be fair game to remind him. His point could be >>>> made without certain words, irrespective of their being "true" or not. But >>>> Vaibhav's surely went way over the line as far as standards of behavior are >>>> concerned, much more than Milton ever did. >>>> >>>> I know you don't like to play the cop Steph, but I do think it's >>>> required, unfortunately. If you don't feel like it, I can volunteer, or >>>> someone else can go ahead too. >>>> >>>> But let's quickly discuss first; let me know what you all think. >>>> >>>> Have a nice day, >>>>

Sent from my mobile device. Typos regretted. 

On Jun 4, 2020, at 10:11 AM, dorothy g <dgdorothydg at gmail.com> wrote:

Vaibhav, As you can see I am not white.  I can assure you that in English the word 'nonsense' is not a racial slur. Anyone can talk nonsense. It is not associated with any racial or ethnic group. I agree it is not a polite word but it is not racist. We are working from different mother-tongue and different cultures so sometimes communication suffers as a result. You may feel you are being bullied and you have a right to your feelings but as an observer I cannot agree with you. I have been a member of this group for many years. We may not always agree but we can disagree politely. Please do not assume that the entire group has no trust in the leadership and process. We will learn from this experience and do better.  Sincerely wishing you the best.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:16 PM Vaibhav Aggarwal <va at bladebrains.com [mailto:va at bladebrains.com]> wrote:

Franco, 

Thanks for seeing reason in my point. 
It is important the the Chair at this juncture along with the EC is held responsible. And I ask for their resignations in the interest of Transparency, Accountability, Adherence, & Code of Ethics. 
There is no trust in the current management of this group as there is no direction & righteousness.

A Adhoc committee be put in place, elections proposed be stopped & group be reconvened for way forward. A Minimum Corum of representation be decided for any decisions. 

A hand full of 5-8 people running this group like a cartel.. 

Since diversity is the basis of this Multi-Stakeholder environment,  I bring this up for my brothers & sisters from the lesser Privileged / developed ecosystems who are putting hard effort in bringing policy up for the better. Every one should get an opportunity. Freedom of voice should never be suppressed in a stressed environment. Equal opportunity is our right. 

The expose and your views on what’s going wrong should be sent to the Ombudsman of ICANN - and everyone should write to him. It’s important to be heard.

Read this in addition to my views above, I was a victim of racial abuse yesterday in front of everyone - Nonsense is what I was called - And I was reprimanded, my integrity was attacked upon & today being threatened & my privacy being violted by the Chair herself in a most casual manner. This is not good. This is bullying & harassment. 

Post the email, I won’t know if I am onslought be brought upon me by some, and If I will still be here or my list access be barred, but I would certainly die a free man. Some good will I be able to do, form some to do good on policy. The world needs you. 

Rest is ur imagination & wisdom. 

Yours sincerely, 
-VA
www.thevaibhav.com [http://www.thevaibhav.com]
+91.9899246969
New Delhi, India

Sent from my mobile device. Typos regretted. 

On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:45 PM, franco giandana <fgiandana at gmail.com [mailto:fgiandana at gmail.com]> wrote:

Hello everyone, 

As a current member of the NCUC EC representing the LAC region, I will be raising this subject and the comments exposed in this thread to the entire EC. I hope we can bring some updated soon. 

Please reach out to me if you have any questions. 

Kind regards, 

Franco

El mié., 3 jun. 2020 a las 10:22, Vaibhav Aggarwal, Catalyst & Group CEO (<va at bladebrains.com [mailto:va at bladebrains.com]>) escribió:

If anybody has missed this email - Like the Chair / EC. 

The group will be eager to know. 

Regards,
-VA

On Jun 3, 2020, at 5:57 PM, KASWESHA <kaswesha at gmail.com [mailto:kaswesha at gmail.com]> wrote:

Hello everyone. Hope all is well during this pandemic period that has paralysed almost everything around the globe.

I declared my interest in representing North America now that I am a permanent resident here,  however no one responded to my self-nomination.  As we continue the search for a suitable representative from the region I would still request to know from either the EC or even membership fraternity whether it's that I am not eligible for this position or I am non-active member of the group.

Have a great time wherever you are.

Best regards;

James Njoroge Gitau
Elsmere, Kentucky
United States of America

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 6:51 AM Louise Marie Hurel <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com [mailto:louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com]> wrote:

Hi all,

I would like to echo Bruna's points here and add another.

We have a great membership that spreads throughout different regions. Not having a filled position for the NA is unfortunate, we should be able to have a healthy and competitive election. If you would like to know more about the NCUC EC, please feel free to reach out and we will gladly have a chat. If you think that you could contribute to enhancing the role of non-commercial interests but might still be unsure about where to start, we can also help you. However, we do encourage you to get in touch - we're nice folks ha :) 

As Bruna mentioned, there's time to think, you have time to think before we open up a call for interest to the North American Representative at the NCUC EC.

All the best,

Louise Marie Hurel
Research and Project Development Cybersecurity and Digital Liberties Programme | Igarapé Institute
PhD Student Data, Networks, and Society | London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE)
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Hurel, L. M. & Lobato, L. C. (forthcoming) “Cyber-Norms Entrepreneurship? Understanding Microsoft’s advocacy on cybersecurity”. In D. Broeders & B. Van Der Berg (Eds.), Governing Cyberspace: Behaviour, Power and Diplomacy. Rowman and Littlefield.

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 18:59, Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com [mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com]> wrote:

Dear all, 

After reflecting with the NCUC EC about the lack of candidates for the position of NCUC EC representative for North America, we have decided to follow up with the election deadlines as they are and to not reopen the nomination period for this specific seat. 

Once we conclude this process the EC will follow up with a call for interest to the North American Representative at the NCUC EC, and move with the appointment based on the current EC decision. 

Something that was also considered was the fact that we did not have a candidate until now so maybe reopening a call for interest once we are done with this election process will give our members some time to think about it. 

Last but not least, I would also like to note that this was an unanimous decision from the NCUC Leadership Team. 

Best Regards, 

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Bruna Martins dos Santos 
NCUC Chair
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