[NCUC-DISCUSS] IGF 2018 Workshop Proposal Submitted

[Kathy Kleiman]

Dear All,
I'm on two different ICANN lists right now where there is a lot of email 
about bad feeling.

IMHO, this is not good for Working Groups or Stakeholder Groups. I'm 
just going to throw into the mix that I think everyone does the best we 
can. We are all volunteers, we all have deadlines, friends, family and a 
myriad of other things that keep us busy. We work on ICANN when we can, 
how we can.

And with that, I am off to take some aspirin!
Best, Kathy

On 6/7/2018 2:35 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> Hi Renata,
>
> Your response is cute but misleading. You have not answered my very 
> simple question.
>
> Does the EC have a Skype channel which it uses, and whose messages are 
> only accessible to current members of the EC?
>
> I am not talking about other Skype channels which have open membership 
> and anyone can join by following the link, and you know it.
>
> Ayden
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 20:29, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com 
> <mailto:raquino at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi The official deliberation channel is EC list. Please refer to our 
>> new bylaws in case of any questions. NCUC does have a Skype channel 
>> and it's called NCUC 2018 - General Chat. Those willing to join, 
>> please email chair at ncuc.org w/ your ID And it is as it's called - a 
>> chat channel, not a deliberation one. Unfortunately Skype is not a 
>> very effective tool. I find that other apps are better for chat 
>> nowadays. IG Hub channel is one I'd recommend. Chat is different from 
>> secret deliberation channel. EC does chat with each other too but 
>> again, Skype is so old. On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 3:13 PM, Ayden 
>> Férdeline wrote: > Hi Renata, > > Are there any "unofficial" 
>> deliberation channels that the NCUC Executive > Committee uses? I 
>> have not suggested that the official archives have been > tampered 
>> with — I have asked a very plain question, when you deliberate > 
>> off-list, where does this happen, and what decisions does the EC 
>> think are > acceptable to happen, say, on Skype, where most members 
>> will not be able to > review the decision making trail? > > Regards, 
>> > > Ayden > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 
>> at 20:07, Renata Aquino Ribeiro > wrote: > > Hi Ayden I think you are 
>> familiar with how list servers work and how they > record messages 
>> automatically. If one message is to be removed from the > archives it 
>> is a very complicated process. So the archive is recording all > 
>> messages exchanged by the EC which refer to deliberation process. 
>> That is > the official channel of deliberation of the EC and the 
>> messages that count. > The time constraint is referred to on the 
>> thread of EC approval, which is > deadline of IGF, 6 June. Best, 
>> Renata On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Ayden > Férdeline wrote: > Hi 
>> Renata, > > What were the "time constraints"? The > proposal 
>> submission deadline that was > known two months in advance? > > The > 
>> archives seem incomplete and often refer to taking conversations > 
>> off-list. > How frequently does this happen, and how does the 
>> Executive > Committee > reach the decision to take a conversation 
>> offline and away from > membership > review? Do these off-list 
>> conversations happen behind a closed > archive, or > through another 
>> medium? > > Thank you, > > Ayden > > Sent from ProtonMail > Mobile > 
>> > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 19:51, Renata Aquino Ribeiro > wrote: > >> 
>> Dear all All the processes done by the Executive Committee can be 
>> followed >> up on our open archives list > > 
>> https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec Any work 
>> passed on > > this list for membership review is collective work and 
>> can receive inputs up >> to when the proposal is finalized. Indeed 
>> the proposal could have been > sent > with more time but the EC was 
>> alerted that there were time > constraints and > voted for it 
>> knowingly. This proposal received majority of > the EC and > (should 
>> it be approved) members can still make suggestions up > to the day of 
>> > the presentation. NCUC remains open for suggestion from > members 
>> on actions > and projects that help us focus back on policy work > 
>> done in ICANN. Best, > Renata > 
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