[NCUC-DISCUSS] [Request for Comment] NCUC meeting with GAC

[Renata Aquino Ribeiro]

Hi Wisdom

Just to contextualize this exchange: we are discussing a potential
input from NCUC in a number of GAC sessions - whether in the sessions
themselves or in the NCUC GAC session in ICANN60.
Whether there is a "head" of this effort or not, there are procedures
in place for production, approval and sharing of statements.
This is the point where this discussion is now. Any decision towards
procedures such as this goes through NCUC Chair and EC.

Best,

Renata



On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Renata am lost here. In any case one will have to speak to be head, if you
> don't speak you won't be head. If what is spoken and is of genuine concern I
> don't see why GAC wont listen. May be there is more to this that some of us
> will be glad to no.
>
> Cheers,
>
> On Saturday, October 21, 2017, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill
>>
>> There is a twist.
>> I never said that civil society should not speak, only that the GAC
>> did not or may not want to hear.
>> If NCUC members want to express their views on this, they should do
>> so, one of the ways to do that is participating in these sessions,
>> whether online or onsite.
>> As for not expressing cogently all views or creating damages in ICANN
>> space, I fail to perceive how a collective work of NCUC or even civil
>> society could be credited as that. Expressions from a group are
>> authored by that specific group and serve an specific purpose. NCUC
>> members would be familiar with NCUC values when communicating on
>> behalf of the group.
>> Unless it is not NCUC we are talking about.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:02 AM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Renata
>> >
>> > On Oct 20, 2017, at 08:24, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > Themes where there isn't much agreement can still be discussed and
>> > brought
>> > to light, if not one unanimous opinion, the range of comments.
>> >
>> > However, it does seems that with 3 sessions about a theme on schedule it
>> > looks like the GAC wants to do most of the talking. Maybe just following
>> > the
>> > debate and making a point that civil society is also there and not
>> > speaking,
>> > or not being a part of the dialogue, is also quite strong.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ok, I’ll bite: how does not speaking make any particular point?  Other
>> > than
>> > that we don’t know what to say, which is not usually viewed as an
>> > impressive
>> > stance in ICANN…?
>> >
>> > I’d think at a minimum we’d want to be able to cogently express the
>> > different views in our group, preferably in a way that helps focus the
>> > discussion and bound the possible space of least damaging outcomes…
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Em 19 de out de 2017 7:36 AM, "William Drake" <wjdrake at gmail.com>
>> > escreveu:
>> >>
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> I could be wrong, but would suspect that the GAC might want to hear
>> >> from
>> >> civil society as to what we think about Amazon and jurisdiction, which
>> >> are
>> >> likely to loom large in AD.  If so it might make sense for us to
>> >> consider
>> >> what kind of messaging we might provide, especially since we’ve never
>> >> had
>> >> much agreement on the former.
>> >>
>> >> Bill
>> >>
>> >> > On Oct 16, 2017, at 13:05, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi
>> >> >
>> >> > A few points
>> >> >
>> >> > - 3 GAC meetings on Amazon and one on "Any Future"
>> >> >
>> >> > I think this is an all time record.
>> >> >
>> >> > Side note for a request to have a meeting on "Any Future" too.
>> >> > Accept "Utopia/Distopia" as alternate
>> >> >
>> >> > GAC Meeting with Amazon.com
>> >> >
>> >> > GAC discussion on Amazon IRP (1)
>> >> >
>> >> > GAC discussion on Amazon IRP (2)
>> >> >
>> >> > GAC Working Group to Examine the Protection of Geographic Names in
>> >> > any
>> >> > Future Expansion of gTLDs Meeting
>> >> >
>> >> > - Underserved region
>> >> >
>> >> > It would be good to talk to the GAC about the Underserved Regions WG
>> >> > Gov reps from many countries were flown in for the workshop in Abu
>> >> > Dhabi on the 28oct. Now listed as
>> >> >
>> >> > "Capacity Development Workshop for Middle East GAC Members"
>> >> >
>> >> > There is likely to be another in Panama
>> >> >
>> >> > I've requested multiple times to be a part of their list as NCUC
>> >> > focal
>> >> > point on underserved regions, no reply so far
>> >> >
>> >> > I would like to know how the dialogue w/ civil society is evolving on
>> >> > this program and how these gov members enroll
>> >> >
>> >> > It looks to me as there could be a risk of the underserved regions
>> >> > debaters being people who have no connection to the topic
>> >> >
>> >> > I bet most underserved regions would have suggestions on people to
>> >> > join
>> >> > this
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>> >
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