[NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program

Wed Nov 8 20:21:30 CET 2017

Hi Martín,

I would respectfully suggest that we limit our conversation for now to the privacy issue that Dina has raised in relation to the fellowship programme. We can discuss other, broader issues with the fellowship programme too, but maybe off-list or at least under a different subject line. Personally, I have enough concerns with the programme to fill two books — however for now I think it is more productive that we focus our efforts on this very legitimate issue that Dina has raised? And to that end, Dina, if you decide to send your concerns through to ICANN's Chief Data Protection Officer and I can help in any way, please do reach out to me.

Best wishes, Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program
> Local Time: 8 November 2017 7:13 PM
> UTC Time: 8 November 2017 19:13
> From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
> To: Mamadou LO <alfamamadou at hotmail.com>
> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, NCUC Discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>
> Mamadou,
> For the last couple of month I’ve participated in many conversations were people wanted to know more about the metrics and process of the Fellowship. Some had doubts or concerns, like the Privacy issue Dina brought up. Instead of improvising here and there we could organize information for those who want to look at it.
>
> Cheers,
> Martín
>
>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Mamadou LO <alfamamadou at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Martin
>> I'm alumni of the fellowship programme but I did not know/aware of those concerns you raised. Can you be more clear?
>> Mamadou
>>
>> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
>>
>> -------- Message d'origine --------
>> De : Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>
>> Date : 08/11/2017 18:57 (GMT+00:00)
>> À : Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> Cc : NCUC Discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>> Objet : Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program
>>
>> Concerns on different issues around the fellowship have raised among the community, Privacy is only one of those. This is an attempt to create and effective action toward those concerns, privacy included.
>>
>> Pretty straight forward!
>>
>> Martín
>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, Martin, but I am confused. How does any of this relate to the original point that Dina raised, which was the lack of awareness among ICANN staff re: privacy? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program
>>>> Local Time: 8 November 2017 4:28 PM
>>>> UTC Time: 8 November 2017 16:28
>>>> From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
>>>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>> NCUC Discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>> In the hope of helping addressing this concerns, I’ve gathered a few links of material on the fellowship already public. I understand they are updating some things, like the privacy provision in the Terms and web stuff.
>>>> Some metrics of the last 10 yeas can be found in the 2017 survey report as well. And I am confident that we could gather a questioner for the staff to answer, and eventually a letter of recommendations or comments. This could help level the information and clarify doubts, a good way to structure the issue and put forward an concrete action.
>>>>
>>>> Fellowship main page: https://www.icann.org/fellowshipprogram
>>>> Terms: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/terms-conditions-2012-02-25-en
>>>> Selection criteria: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-applicant-criteria-2016-09-08-en
>>>> Selection Committee: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/committee-2012-02-25-en
>>>> FAQs: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-faqs-2015-07-10-en
>>>> 10 yeas survey report: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-fellowship-program-10-year-survey-dprd-28jun17-en.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Other part also might have some relevant data (you need to dive in a little to grasp the numbers):
>>>> Financial reports: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/current-en
>>>>
>>>> There were some blog post as well:
>>>> Part 1: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-part-one-of-a-four-part-blog-series
>>>> Part 2: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit
>>>> Part 3: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-en
>>>> Part 4: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-0edb9f60-6898-4121-a0e3-5865c9a4106d
>>>>
>>>> I’ve seen many times around that a lot of the concerns on the fellowship are actually misinformation, weather the facts are not known or are wrong. And is very easy to build on those mistakes or half/trues to later find out the whole analysis has to be rebuilt, or becomes and ineffective action. So I would suggest we first try to scope the data on this, level our concepts so we can define concerns and eventually give an opinion.
>>>>
>>>> For instance, in evaluating the merit of the program we have to understand the initial goal, there is no use in assuming or improvising the goal of the program, is written and when measuring the success we should go back to it. We can also discuss if the current goal, met or not and by how much, is the goal we think is best. Again, flying ideas without actually going through this process are not helpful. "Scaling back the program", something I’ve heard a lot and personally might even agree, is a valid idea, but we should only recommend it if we fully understand the whole data and concepts, not just because we “feel” it, we have a strong intuition or it seems reasonable given what we know from other stuff.
>>>>
>>>> I volunteer to lead a group to review fellowship and other onboarding/outreach/capacity building programs, if that’s what NCUC/NCSG members are interested.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers to all,
>>>> Martin Silva
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Another interesting document to read is from a few years ago when they asked for community feedback and they did a comparison to other fellowship program
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure where it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the privacy stuff.  I assume Siranush is still getting used to the job and and she will work out these issues in due time.
>>>>>
>>>>> G
>>>>>
>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>> NARALO Secretariat
>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>> skype  gmcknight
>>>>> twitter gmcknight
>>>>> 289-830 6259
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Chenai Chair  <chrche001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Glenn! super useful to read this and reflect on the fellowship process
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Glenn McKnight  <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the Fellowship survey  I converted to a Ebook
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://online.fliphtml5.com/gnel/jjgd/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> G
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>> NARALO Secretariat
>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>>>> skype  gmcknight
>>>>>>> twitter gmcknight
>>>>>>> [289-830 6259](tel:(289)%20830-6259)
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:21 AM, Shreedeep Rayamajhi  <rayamajhishreedeep at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think there should be some level of privacy to be attained in regards while handling  personal information. People do give their information with trust and it should be handled with care in terms of the after the purposes is finished. It should be the responsibility of the receiver to assure there is no unauthorized use of the information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> May be a process has to be initiated  that after the completion of the purpose the information is stopped from passing on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards Shreedeep Rayamajhi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2017 5:41 PM, "thomascovenant" <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And I have noted programmes, such as the global indigenous ambassador
>>>>>>>>>> programme, have their application form on a Google Form
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - You are correct. I have just joined the Indigenous Program and we will
>>>>>>>>> address this by the next application round.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1 on other points made
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great meeting you in person during ICANN60,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thomas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jalkanen Dina Solveig
>>>>>>>>> * * *
>>>>>>>>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam, happy FSFE and EFF member
>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08.11.2017 11:02, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I think it is reasonable to say that ICANN, as an organisation, has no
>>>>>>>>>> awareness of privacy or why it is important.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Indeed, the recently appointed Chief Data Protection Officer has no
>>>>>>>>>> background in privacy or data protection. (Seriously.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And I have noted programmes, such as the global indigenous ambassador
>>>>>>>>>> programme, have their application form on a Google Form where one can
>>>>>>>>>> even read all of the candidate's applications, including the candidate's
>>>>>>>>>> address, if they so desire.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> None of this is acceptable Dina, and I would encourage you to write to
>>>>>>>>>> the CDPO, Daniel Halloran, to document this incident.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We will have more recourses at our disposal from next May when
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement of GDPR is in effect to take this complaint further, but for
>>>>>>>>>> now, it is important we can show that we have been repeatedly making
>>>>>>>>>> ICANN the organisation aware of its failure to protect the personal data
>>>>>>>>>> that it collects and retains.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> —Ayden
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program
>>>>>>>>>>> Local Time: 8 November 2017 8:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> UTC Time: 8 November 2017 08:25
>>>>>>>>>>> From: raquino at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The leakage of private information is indeed an issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was in an associated program w/ the Fellowship this time so did not
>>>>>>>>>>> get the email that Dina mentioned.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I remember in previous editions of Fellowship program, I discussed
>>>>>>>>>>> basic privacy configurations - like telling people how to protect an
>>>>>>>>>>> online Google Spreadsheet. So there is a lack also of staff, tools and
>>>>>>>>>>> other provisions to protect managing fellows' data.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to go via an educational route here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is an international group, fastly organized and disorganized and
>>>>>>>>>>> it may as well be that fellows have their own data gathering
>>>>>>>>>>> initiatives for social purposes or whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The idea of a workshop or a discussion about privacy sounds like a
>>>>>>>>>>> good route.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Renata
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