[NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program

Wed Nov 8 07:13:44 CET 2017

Hi Seun,

Point 1.  Home Addresses.  Did you read the original mail? Either your
position is that s/he was deliberately misinforming us or you believe that
they do not know what a home address is?I noted that the person who posted
is involved with EFF and so I assume they know what a home address is and
they know what an email attachment is.

Point 2.  The discussion should focus on what the original mail was about.
It was about sharing one's personal data with a group without permission.

Point 3. Did you not read the original mail?   Is it really OK to sign on
to be an ICANN fellow and all other fellows get your sensitive personal
details?  How is this essential to the programme? This was an email
attachment !?  Why would ICANN be treating people in this way? Do they also
rely on data exploitation as a business model?
We do not have to accept everything so we get free tickets to events.
Hopefully we can help improve things.

I am not going to discuss here the implications of your positions for our
continent - hopefully we will soon meet.
Dorothy

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:20 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sent from my mobile
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>
> On Nov 7, 2017 11:54 PM, "dorothy g" <dgdorothydg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wow I am truly shocked by the lack of awareness. Sharing home addresses?
> Why do they even have these? It is so dangerous.
>
>
> SO: I sure can't remember them asking for home address. If I recall
> correctly, I think the matrix contains hotel location/name and this is just
> to find one another at the event. Ofcourse most of the time fellows are at
> the same location.
>
> This issue seriously needs to be addressed. Maybe if we can think this
> through we can help others get round the platform oligarchs.  Privacy
> training needed urgently.
> +1 to those who will address this head on.  I kind of remember the issue
> came up before when people were made to understand they had no option but
> to join a social media platform if they wanted to be part of the program.
> If I recall at the time we were given some plausible explanation.
>
>
> SO: At that time it was indeed clarifed and I think social media was then
> made optional.
>
> Wisdom I do not like your logic on this one but since we live in the same
> town (not specified deliberately) we can sort it out F2F.
>
>
> SO: Actually am with wisdom on this, as I don't actually see the privacy
> issues here. Espcially when all these are optional. This is just like
> signing up to the free Gmail account and not expecting to be crawled by
> Google server.
>
> Regards
>
>
> best
> D
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In agreement with Seun. Joining fellowship social pages are optional, is
>> not compulsory or mandatory.
>> I do recall in some instances when fellows are been ask to sign up for
>> ICANN booth or travel matrix etc I remember in some cases the privacy
>> option is been capture when signing up.
>>
>> Most of us i think are very much aware of basic privacy issues, every one
>> you see on the fellowship social platform, i believe has consented to been
>> on the platform.
>>
>> I no few fellows who opt not to be on the fellowship social platform and
>> as such decline the request and that decision was respected. In any case
>> one can opt out if already in or request to be taken off.
>>
>> I think the fellowship program has relied on social media because of its
>> outreach nature (connecting the next billion).
>>
>> I believe we should think more of the positive that the social media
>> brings to the fellowship program. Any attempt to restrict the use of social
>> media will pull us back and back. We can regulate it but not to the point
>> that will diminish the positives of the fellowship program.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Any innovative way to encourage the use of the fellowship platform should
>> be welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> *ONE WORLD ONE INTERNET*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.)*
>> E-government and Open Government Data Platforms Specialist
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> If I recall correctly, I don't think ICANN flicker site requires login
>>> details.
>>>
>>> As to the fellowship Facebook, WhatsApp et all I do think those are
>>> optional hence it should be expected that anyone that opts in do so
>>> voluntarily.
>>>
>>> Ofcourse I am speaking as an alumni hence some things may have changed
>>> lately.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Sent from my mobile
>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2017 4:47 PM, "Stephanie Perrin" <
>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dina
>>>>
>>>> I totally agree with you and Cedric, and suggest you file a complaint
>>>> to the new ICANN privacy officer.  Happy to help draft it!
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie Perrin
>>>>
>>>> PS I had already complained to ICANN years ago that they should not be
>>>> using the outlet they use for posting their professional photos of ICANN
>>>> meetings, as it demanded you join and provide a cellphone number.
>>>> Unacceptable.  (Unfortunately, I cannot remember what app they were using,
>>>> nor can I find it on the site with a couple of quick searches.)
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-11-06 15:22, Cedric Laurant wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unbelievable! This violates the most basic data protection principles.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas, I support your indignation and recommendation.
>>>>
>>>> And relying on tools such as Facebook and WhatsApp shows how inexcusably
>>>> unaware of privacy issues the organizers of that Fellowship Program are.
>>>>
>>>> Cédric
>>>> ---
>>>> On 11/6/17 13:41, thomascovenant wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I want to point out an issue that is important to me: privacy.
>>>>
>>>> Today the Fellowship Program sent out an email containing an attachment
>>>> with coaches' and fellows' private details: name, surname, home address
>>>> and phone number.
>>>>
>>>> I see this as gross privacy violation.
>>>>
>>>> I have not given my consent to share my personal details - I expect
>>>> every single person on the list to be asked for permission before doing
>>>> that. I expect to know exactly who these details will be shared with.
>>>>
>>>> During this round, program has heavily relied on Facebook, Whatsapp
>>>> (owned by Facebook) and Google.
>>>>
>>>> I am extremely frustrated by lack of basic privacy awareness within the
>>>> Fellowship Program.
>>>>
>>>> I will follow up with TTF to propose an online privacy workshop for
>>>> those in charge of the Program, together with the request to review
>>>> tools and how fellows' information can be stored and handled in a secure
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>> Respecting privacy of others on this list,
>>>>
>>>> thomas / Dina Solveig Jalkanen
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Freedom Online Coalition (FOC) Member, Diplo Foundation Member,
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