[NCUC-DISCUSS] Cross Community Discussion/ Geographic Names at the Top Level Session II
Carlos Raul Gutierrez
crg at isoc-cr.org
Thu Jun 29 18:06:08 CEST 2017
Farzaneh
Not all ate governmental
Neither are they all nonprofits
Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
Apartado 1571-1000
San José COSTA RICA
On Jun 29, 2017 3:08 PM, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> Correction, I meant not all ccTLD operators are governmental.
>
> Farzaneh
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 9:05 AM, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I think technically no, but we as the GNSO do need to 'defend our turf'
>> for want of a better phrase. Generic names should be defended as the
>> exclusive purview of the GNSO, we can reach out to cc community on how to
>> better run those, but for the purposes of policy that is our domain and we
>> need to defend that.
>>
>>
>> -James
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> on behalf of
>> Niels ten Oever <lists at digitaldissidents.org>
>> *Sent:* 29 June 2017 13:59:49
>> *To:* farzaneh badii
>> *Cc:* NCUC-discuss
>> *Subject:* Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Cross Community Discussion/ Geographic
>> Names at the Top Level Session II
>>
>> Do we think this is a bad thing per se?
>>
>> Maybe ccTLDs are better at building TLDs than the ppl in the gTLD space,
>> especially if you look at the outcomes of the last gTLD round (largely
>> spam and defensive registration).
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Niels
>>
>> On 06/29/2017 02:34 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > This is about procedures for new gtlds and does not affect the already
>> > existing ones.
>> >
>> > The issue is some in GAC and CCNSO want to claim any name that is
>> > remotely related to the sovereign. The danger is that, they can claim
>> > some generic names too that happen to relate to a sovereign. If they are
>> > delegated the names, they will have whatever rule the sovereign wants
>> > for domain registration. It is certainly a landgrab. The plan is to grab
>> > as much as they can from gTLD space and move it to ccTLD space.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Farzaneh
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Niels ten Oever
>> > <lists at digitaldissidents.org <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org
>> <lists at digitaldissidents.org>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I liked the presentation of Jaap Akkerhuis when he presented to the
>> GAC
>> > about this issue. The ISO list has a clear hierarchy, but this is
>> not
>> > present in the DNS. There is a Berlin in Wisconsin, Idaho, Ohio, New
>> > Jersey, Maryland and Germany. Who should get it?
>> >
>> > And what happens to already allocated geonames such as .amsterdam,
>> > .berlin, .friesland, etc?
>> >
>> > The GAC has no model to solve this whatsoever, so am not so clear
>> what
>> > they are pushing for. Or do they want to offer priority in the
>> auction
>> > process to geographies? I would not necessarily be against that. Or
>> did
>> > I miss something?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Niels
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 06/29/2017 01:49 PM, hfaiedh ines wrote:
>> > > We are currently attending the session. If you have any opinions
>> or
>> > > questions you would like me to transmit please don't hesitate.
>> > >
>> > > On Jun 29, 2017 11:05, "Farell Folly" <farellfolly at gmail.com <
>> mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com <farellfolly at gmail.com>>
>> > > <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com
>> <farellfolly at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Dear Farzaneh,
>> > >
>> > > You are totally right.. I attended the 1st meeting few days
>> ago and
>> > > I will attend the one of the afternoon. Discussions are very
>> > > serious. I would like to work on that.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > > @__f_f__
>> > >
>> > > Computer Security | Internet of Things
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>> > >
>> > > Le 29 juin 2017 10:21, "farzaneh badii" <
>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>
>> > > <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>>> a
>> écrit :
>> > >
>> > > Dear all,
>> > >
>> > > I think as the noncommercial group we have not paid enough
>> > > attention to the issue of Geographic names at the top
>> level.By
>> > > claiming sovereignty over Geo names, governments will
>> > claim the
>> > > Geo names. If we do not wake up and get active, we will
>> not be
>> > > able to rescue the generic names that happen to be Geo
>> > names as
>> > > well.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Today there will be a cross-community session and they
>> will
>> > > discuss various important issues but some of the
>> questions are
>> > > important and I recommend NCUC members attend the
>> session. I
>> > > have attached the agenda and some of the questions that
>> > will be
>> > > addressed are copied below:
>> > >
>> > > 17:00 Key Geo Names Issues to Address in the PDP
>> > >
>> > > 1. What makes a string a “geographic name”?
>> > >
>> > > 2. When can a geographic name:
>> > >
>> > > ● Be applied for;
>> > >
>> > > ● Be delegated to a particular applicant?
>> > >
>> > > 3. If there are simultaneous applications for a geographic
>> > name,
>> > > how should this be
>> > >
>> > > resolved?
>> > >
>> > > 4. How could “geographic use” be distinguished from
>> > “generic use”?
>> > >
>> > > 5. How can commitments to restrict a TLD to
>> non-geographic use
>> > > be monitored and enforced?
>> > >
>> > > Best
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Farzaneh
>> > >
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