[NCUC-DISCUSS] Cross Community Discussion/ Geographic Names at the Top Level Session II

Niels ten Oever lists at digitaldissidents.org
Thu Jun 29 15:25:02 CEST 2017



On 06/29/2017 03:04 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:
> I certainly think it's a bad thing. They can force you to be a resident
> of a region to register a domain name 


I think the important word here is _can_.

gTLD registries can also have ridiculous demands for registration (think
for instance back to the presentation about .pharmacy yesterday)

> and there are certain governments
> I do not want to see operating generic name TLDs and many more reasons
> which we can explore of course. 

Would be great to see the different arguments.

Currently I find James' argument most compelling: ccTLDs are delegated
to from the ISO list, and that's it.


> Of course not all CCNSOs are
> governmental and I don't know where you are bringing your success rate
> from and how you measure it. But I certainly don't want to see landgrab
> from gTLD space.

I am not that territorial. We should be thinking of the end-user, no,
not territorial fights, right?

Cheers,

Niels




> Farzaneh
> 
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Niels ten Oever
> <lists at digitaldissidents.org <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Do we think this is a bad thing per se?
> 
>     Maybe ccTLDs are better at building TLDs than the ppl in the gTLD space,
>     especially if you look at the outcomes of the last gTLD round (largely
>     spam and defensive registration).
> 
>     Best,
> 
>     Niels
> 
>     On 06/29/2017 02:34 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>     > Hi
>     >
>     > This is about procedures for new gtlds and does not affect the already
>     > existing ones.
>     >
>     > The issue is some in GAC and CCNSO want to claim any name that is
>     > remotely related to the sovereign. The danger is that, they can claim
>     > some generic names too that happen to relate to a sovereign. If they are
>     > delegated the names, they will have whatever rule the sovereign wants
>     > for domain registration. It is certainly a landgrab. The plan is to grab
>     > as much as they can from gTLD space and move it to ccTLD space.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Farzaneh
>     >
>     > On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Niels ten Oever
>     > <lists at digitaldissidents.org <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>
>     <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org
>     <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     I liked the presentation of Jaap Akkerhuis when he presented to the GAC
>     >     about this issue. The ISO list has a clear hierarchy, but this is not
>     >     present in the DNS. There is a Berlin in Wisconsin, Idaho, Ohio, New
>     >     Jersey, Maryland and Germany. Who should get it?
>     >
>     >     And what happens to already allocated geonames such as .amsterdam,
>     >     .berlin, .friesland, etc?
>     >
>     >     The GAC has no model to solve this whatsoever, so am not so clear what
>     >     they are pushing for. Or do they want to offer priority in the auction
>     >     process to geographies? I would not necessarily be against that. Or did
>     >     I miss something?
>     >
>     >     Cheers,
>     >
>     >     Niels
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     On 06/29/2017 01:49 PM, hfaiedh ines wrote:
>     >     > We are currently attending the session. If you have any opinions or
>     >     > questions you would like me to transmit please don't hesitate.
>     >     >
>     >     > On Jun 29, 2017 11:05, "Farell Folly" <farellfolly at gmail.com <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com>>
>     >     > <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>     >     >
>     >     >     Dear Farzaneh,
>     >     >
>     >     >     You are totally right.. I attended the 1st meeting few days ago and
>     >     >     I will attend the one of the afternoon. Discussions are very
>     >     >     serious. I would like to work on that.
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >     Regards
>     >     >     @__f_f__
>     >     >
>     >     >     Computer Security | Internet of Things
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>     >     >     ________________________________.
>     >     >     Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.
>     >     >
>     >     >     Le 29 juin 2017 10:21, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>
>     >     >     <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>     <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>     >     <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>     <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>>> a écrit :
>     >     >
>     >     >         Dear all,
>     >     >
>     >     >         I think as the noncommercial group we have not paid
>     enough
>     >     >         attention to the issue of Geographic names at the
>     top level.By
>     >     >         claiming sovereignty over Geo names, governments will
>     >     claim the
>     >     >         Geo names. If we do not wake up and get active, we
>     will not be
>     >     >         able to rescue the generic names that happen to be Geo
>     >     names as
>     >     >         well.
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >         Today there will be a cross-community session and
>     they will
>     >     >         discuss various important issues but some of the
>     questions are
>     >     >         important and I recommend NCUC members attend the
>     session. I
>     >     >         have attached the agenda and some of the questions that
>     >     will be
>     >     >         addressed are copied below:
>     >     >
>     >     >         17:00 Key Geo Names Issues to Address in the PDP
>     >     >
>     >     >         1. What makes a string a “geographic name”?
>     >     >
>     >     >         2. When can a geographic name:
>     >     >
>     >     >         ● Be applied for;
>     >     >
>     >     >         ● Be delegated to a particular applicant?
>     >     >
>     >     >         3. If there are simultaneous applications for a
>     geographic
>     >     name,
>     >     >         how should this be
>     >     >
>     >     >         resolved?
>     >     >
>     >     >         4. How could “geographic use” be distinguished from
>     >     “generic use”?
>     >     >
>     >     >         5. How can commitments to restrict a TLD to
>     non-geographic use
>     >     >         be monitored and enforced?
>     >     >
>     >     >         Best
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >         Farzaneh
>     >     >
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