[NCUC-DISCUSS] email in response to ICANN blogpost

Niels ten Oever lists at digitaldissidents.org
Wed Jun 28 18:17:40 CEST 2017


Hi Seun,


On 06/28/2017 06:03 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> Hello Niels,
> 
> We can agree to disagree as I personally would also agree that *dark
> web" is a place for much more significant bad stuff.

No where in your reference there is measurement of what there is more
'good stuff' or 'bad stuff'.

Pls also refer to the examples we gave in the statement for 'good
stuff', including Facebook being a Hidden Service (which is also
standardized by the IETF in RFCi7868).

Best

Niels

> A few useful references for anyone who cares:
> 
> https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-deep-dark-web-and-how-do-you-access-it
> <https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-deep-dark-web-and-how-do-you-access-it>
> 
> "Dark Web or Dark Net is a subset of the Deep Web
> <https://darkwebnews.com/news/how-mysterious-is-the-deep-web/> where
> there are sites that sell drugs, hacking software, counterfeit money and
> more."
> 
> https://darkwebnews.com/help-advice/access-dark-web/
> <https://darkwebnews.com/help-advice/access-dark-web/>
> 
> I sure would agree with farell on the argument that it's probably a
> content area that may be out of scope for ICANN[1] but that isn't the
> point the proposed NCUC is making. 
> 
> Regard
> 1. Though I think it's a good educating resource for internet users.
> 
> On Jun 28, 2017 5:44 PM, "Niels ten Oever" <lists at digitaldissidents.org
> <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Seun,
> 
>     On 06/28/2017 05:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>     > On Jun 28, 2017 5:25 PM, "Niels ten Oever"
>     <lists at digitaldissidents.org <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>
>     > <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org
>     <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >     On 06/28/2017 05:20 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>     >     > Hello,
>     >     >
>     >     > I am not a very active participant of the NCUC but but do follow
>     >     > happening and as a member I find this of interest to me. I read
>     >     through
>     >     > the blog post and it was a good read; it seem quite
>     educating and
>     >     makes
>     >     > a lot of sense. I may understand why a certain service provider
>     >     may not
>     >     > like the content but am not sure I understand the reason why
>     NCUC is
>     >     > making a statement against the blog post.
>     >
>     >     Did you read the statement? Which argument did you not find
>     compelling?
>     >
>     >
>     > SO: I quote the following from the article:
>     > "...... Tor serves many good purposes, but also attracts Dark Web
>     users
>     > wanting to keep their activities or marketplaces
>     > secret /and /untraceable...."
>     >
>     > It seem to me that the blog highlights the good and bad of a
>     > tool/service. However your statement seem to indicate that the
>     blog only
>     > highlights the bad stuff. (ref: We sincerely hope you can correct the
>     > negative language in your article)
>     >
> 
>     There is an inherent difference between Tor and the Dark Web. In the
>     blog he says: Dark Web = Bad, Tor = Partially Good.
> 
>     The dark web is simply not bad. That is the problem with the blog.
> 
>     >
>     >     >
>     >     > Overall, I know the views of members may not necessarily matter
>     >     here (as
>     >     > it seem the EC makes the decision), i will suggest that you
>     provide
>     >     > authoritative source for the definition of "dark web" and "deep
>     >     web" in
>     >     > your statement.
>     >
>     >     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web
>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web>
>     >     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web
>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web>>
>     >
>     >
>     > SO: Good if that is authoritative then it may be good to include
>     that as
>     > a reference in the statement.
>     >
>     > Regards
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     >
>     >     > Regards
>     >     >
>     >     > On Jun 28, 2017 4:59 PM, "Niels ten Oever"
>     >     <lists at digitaldissidents.org
>     <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>
>     <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org
>     <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>>
>     >     > <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org
>     <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>
>     >     <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org
>     <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>>>> wrote:
>     >     >
>     >     >     Hi all,
>     >     >
>     >     >     This morning the ICANN VP for Security and IT published a
>     >     blogpost which
>     >     >     appeared in this mornings newsletter, as well as on
>     ICANNs website
>     >     >     concerning the Dark Web.
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     
>     https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services
>     <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services>
>     >   
>      <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services
>     <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services>>
>     >     >
>     >     
>     <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services
>     <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services>
>     >   
>      <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services
>     <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services>>>
>     >     >
>     >     >     A number of us got together and drafted an email to the
>     author
>     >     to give
>     >     >     him an opportunity to correct the falsehoods that are stated
>     >     in the
>     >     >     blog.
>     >     >
>     >     >     We have two options:
>     >     >
>     >     >     1. Send the letter on behalf of the NCUC
>     >     >     2. Sign the letter in your personal capacities.
>     >     >
>     >     >     Let's discuss it here, but feel free to already sign (as a
>     >     fallback
>     >     >     option).
>     >     >
>     >     >     You can find the draft letter here:
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     
>     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit
>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit>
>     >   
>      <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit
>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit>>
>     >     >
>     >     
>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit
>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit>
>     >   
>      <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit
>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit>>>
>     >     >
>     >     >     Best,
>     >     >
>     >     >     Niels
>     >     >
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