[NCUC-DISCUSS] A problem in registration form for ICANN60 Abu Dhabi

Mon Jul 17 15:16:00 CEST 2017

I think the meeting tomorrow will be a long one. 
I wonder whether it is interpol who needs those info. To me this is sometimes the work I need to do when I deal with illegal sites. 

We need to gather all these even when we do website forensics with sites that do online betting of young girls etc.,

I feel I understand why all these but having gnso do all these is worthless we should cut those questions in responsibilities up to the isp and rir. In our case some of it can be pushed to the nro to do. I would even say please have a look at the Whois that RIRs have in place. 

It's a challenge ported to the ground but I still believe we should think out of the box not carry on the same we we used to do things. It would not astound me many of these questions were followed after GAC demands.

My take let's look at what ncsg-Ncuc finds as proper and doable and prepare a list of things that should be handed to other SOs

That's my feel I would like to apologize if this hurts any feelings or thoughts I've worked with both or all three sides even to witness in a court of law. I know how it is. We should not let everything be our problem directly it's a community let's lay it out to what others could do.

My two cents.

Kris

> On 17 Jul 2017, at 16:57, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
>> No community, no "problem".
> 
> I'm clearly wrong here. This is something that has to be addressed.
> 
> Anyway, I went back to the transcript to see where I got the idea that
> Abu Dhabi coming up had anything to do with this.
> 
>>> HERB WAYE OMBUDS: Yes, thank you, Rafik. Herb Waye. I just want to mention while we're on this call that communication is going to be a critical component to any advancement of the diversity issues. And I raise this point because at Joburg, ICANN 59, there were people registering for registration for Abergavenny opened and there was a diversity question on the application, on the registration for the upcoming ICANN meeting about gender that was ****received negatively***** by certain people that were applying for registration. And ****the question was ultimately removed*****.
> 
> (As I said raw transcripts can be wrong but I would think the next
> registration open would be ICANN60, Abu Dhabi.)
> 
> (continues)
> 
> So I think if it had been accompanied by a proper, well-articulated
> communication piece about why the question was being asked, it would
> have been more positively received. So I believe moving forward for
> the Diversity Group, communication is going to be a very important
> component in any attempt at incorporating diversity into things like
> registrations or surveys or any other attempt at collecting data. So I
> just wanted to share that with you, issues that pop up in my domain
> regarding diversity from those that are ****offending or feel that
> it's inappropriate***. Thank you.
> 
> (**** are mine )
> 
>>> HERB WAYE OMBUDS: Yes, and Herb Waye again here. As I mentioned, it wasn't my office that dealt with it, but it was brought to my attention and resolved rather than create an issue, they simply pulled the question. And I have not had a chance to sit down with the reservation -- registration team to discuss it yet to see if there's an opportunity, but this may be something that if anybody that is  listening in is interested, they can bring it up with, I believe it was Louis Dunkin and his team that dealt with that.
> 
>>> RAFIK DAMMAK: Okay, thanks, Herb. If you find out more information and share the details with us, I think that would be really helpful. And we can see how we can make a recommendation based on that.
> 
> So my point again:
> The question is important. There are less females than males
> participating in ICANN meetings, especially in developing countries.
> It is important to have these numbers and work on improvements.
> There should be a 3rd option. People who don't want to answer or want
> to answer differently have the right to do so.
> This is not something that is negative or offensive in any way.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Em 17/07/2017 05:13, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>> 
>>> Hi Renata,
>>> 
>>> my understanding is that is not related to local hosts request. the
>>> question is on the registration site which was also used for other ICANN
>>> meetings. the ombudsman was not involved directly but heard that concerns
>>> were raised to "registration" and/or meeting team. The question is already
>>> removed from the page. the ombudsman is going to discuss with registration
>>> team to know more.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Rafik
>>> 
>>> 2017-07-17 9:12 GMT+09:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello
>>>> 
>>>> I have just read the raw transcript of the last WS2-Diversity meeting
>>>> 
>>>> Meeting page
>>>> 
>>>> https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=66089058
>>>> 
>>>> Raw transcript
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66089058/DIVERSITY%20SUBGROUP%20MEETING%20_07132017-FINAL-en.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1500220959000&api=v2
>>>> 
>>>> The raw transcript means it is the 1st form of the transcript, no
>>>> corrections
>>>> 
>>>> But what I read made me caught my attention enough to share this on the
>>>> lists
>>>> 
>>>> Especially giving the discussion about reviewing where meetings happen
>>>> 
>>>> Apparently there was a "concern" with registration to ICANN60 because
>>>> "a form" presented the follow question and options of response
>>>> 
>>>> Gender:  Male/Female/Other
>>>> 
>>>> The "other" option raised the "concern" and ombudsman brought up that
>>>> this was the theme of a conversation w/ local organization
>>>> 
>>>> So what would happen if ICANN had, let's say, a number of
>>>> registrations of "Other" ?
>>>> 
>>>> Would this be theme for other conversations between ombudsman and
>>>> local organizers?
>>>> 
>>>> Are there any data collected by registration form that would cause
>>>> "concern" to local organizers?
>>>> 
>>>> And sorry about the extensive use of quote marks. The words are a bit
>>>> surprising and I tried to soften the blow.
>>>> 
>>>> Renata
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