[NCUC-DISCUSS] Statement from the former NCUC Executive Committee

Mon Apr 10 21:32:36 CEST 2017

Hello all from Lome, Togo.

Thank you so much dear Rafik to come back again on this affair.

I agree with Milton when he says that : "The approval of the new bylaws
validates the actions of the EC by making it unambiguous that the NCUC has
the right to remove from office people who are not eligible."

It's clear that my dear friend Peter is in a position of someone who is
ineligible for the NCUC EC because he is wearing a commercial SG hat as a
member of RySG and could not pretend to office in a Non-Commercial SG EC.
As a user of DNS, he could remain a simple meber of the NCUC.
 That's my final comprehension of the problem and it's now definitely
closed.

Thanks to you allagain for this great work. It was certainly a
misunderstanding between us.

This is my 2 xof with my warm regards to you all.
Your,Olevie-

2017-04-10 14:18 GMT+00:00 Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>:

> Tapani
> No when the letter says the case is closed it means that a) the issue is
> resolved as much as it can be; b) the issue is moot (which means it doesn't
> and cannot affect the composition of the EC and c) the bylaws have been
> amended to provide a more solid footing when such actions become necessary
> in the future.
>
> The facts are all laid out, transparently (except perhaps for the actions
> of some hidden parties who tried very hard to lobby the ombudsman in
> secret, and failed), and so your insinuation that some one might be
> embarrassed by further discussion of it strikes me as wrong and rather
> petty. The approval of the new bylaws validates the actions of the EC by
> making it unambiguous that the NCUC has the right to remove from office
> people who are not eligible. If you wanted to dispute that point you should
> have tried during the bylaw election
>
> Milton L Mueller
> Professor, School of Public Policy
> Georgia Institute of Technology
>
> > On Apr 10, 2017, at 13:22, Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Rafik,
> >
> > Thank you for this.
> >
> > When you say you consider the case closed I presume you don't mean we
> > should not discuss it anymore, but that the process with Ombudsman
> > is closed. As you may recall, discussion on the list was effectively
> > suspended when Peter announced he'd turn to the Ombudsman, as people
> > wanted to wait for what'd come out of it.
> >
> > So I take your statement to the membership to be a discussion opening.
> >
> > Indeed now that enough time has passed and the acute situation is over,
> > it is a good time to continue the discussion, analyze what went wrong
> > and what could and should have been done to avoid it.
> >
> > Of course Monday morning quarterbacks have it easy, things may be
> > obvious in hindsight that were really hard to see at the time.
> > So we should not try to assign blame or accuse anyone - but nor
> > should we just bury this because it might reveal things that are
> > embarrassing to some.
> >
> > Unfortunately I'm just about now going on vacation and will be mostly
> > offline until end of this week, but I'll get back to this when I return.
> >
> > Thank you again,
> >
> > Tapani
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 08:29:28AM +0900, Rafik Dammak (
> rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
> >>
> >> The former NCUC Executive Committee is sending this statement to clarify
> >> its actions regarding former EC member Peter Green.
> >>
> >> To the NCUC Membership,
> >>
> >> Many of you are aware that in August 2016 the NCUC Executive Committee
> (now
> >> the former EC) asked Peter Green (Zuan Zhang) to resign from the EC. The
> >> view of all EC members other than Peter was then, and still is, that
> >> Peter’s active engagement in the work of the Registry Stakeholder Group,
> >> coupled with his employee status at a major registry (CONAC), made it
> >> inappropriate for him to be in a leadership position in the
> Noncommercial
> >> Users Constituency. This decision was based on our understanding of the
> >> NCUC and NCSG eligibility requirements and GNSO Operating procedures. It
> >> has been a longstanding principle of our constituency that people or
> >> organizations that are members of another Stakeholder Group in the GNSO
> >> cannot also be members of NCUC (bylaws III.3). This is designed to
> prevent
> >> commercial or contracted parties from attempting to control or influence
> >> our Constituency, which is supposed to be solely devoted to the
> interests
> >> of noncommercial users.
> >>
> >> Peter was unhappy with the EC’s procedure and with the outcome. Peter
> >> declined to discuss the issue with the EC, however, and instead took the
> >> case to the Ombudsman, Mr. Herb Waye. Since then we have had several
> >> detailed exchanges of information with the Ombudsman. In his first draft
> >> report Mr. Waye, while demanding reinstatement of Green, concluded that
> our
> >> action was based on a reasonable interpretation of the NCUC charter and
> the
> >> GNSO Guidelines but that the charter and guidelines as written could be
> >> easily interpreted otherwise. Ultimately, we learned from Mr. Waye that
> >> Peter’s main concern was that he felt the process was not legitimate or
> >> transparant and he also feared that it would negatively affect his
> >> reputation. The NCUC EC acknowledged these concerns as legitimate. At a
> >> meeting at ICANN 57 with two members of the EC and the Ombudsman, the EC
> >> agreed to address these concerns with this statement. This statement is
> the
> >> outcome of that meeting. During the past couple of months Peter had the
> >> chance to comment on the statement and modify it. We did not agree with
> the
> >> final modifications and additions we received from Ombudsman. Hence we
> have
> >> decided to release our original statement.
> >>
> >> *Statement*
> >>
> >> First, the EC wishes to make it abundantly clear that our request for
> Peter
> >> to resign from the EC was not caused by any misconduct or poor
> performance
> >> on his part. As we said in our August 7, 2016 announcement to the
> >> constituency, Peter was asked to resign only because continuing to
> allow a
> >> contradiction with our membership eligibility rules would open the door
> to
> >> many other ineligible members and the potential for corruption of NCUC’s
> >> integrity as a stakeholder group. Aside from his failure to fully
> >> understand the conflict of interest, which led to his failure to be
> fully
> >> transparent about it, Peter did nothing wrong.
> >>
> >> Second, we openly acknowledge that the situation could have been handled
> >> better. Although we still believe the action was necessary and
> justified,
> >> there was no precedent in NCUC’s history for the EC to draw upon. The
> NCUC
> >> bylaws had clear eligibility rules, which we, as the EC, interpreted
> >> Peter’s status to contradict, but its bylaws did not have a defined
> >> procedure for removing people in positions if they are determined to be
> >> ineligible. Furthermore, the EC members did not want to publicly raise
> this
> >> issue before the membership, as that could have been construed as an
> >> intimidating public attack on Peter. This led to concerns about
> >> transparency. In the end, we opted to ask him to resign. But this came
> as
> >> such a shock to Peter that it led to a complete breakdown in
> >> communications. We apologize for that and wish that it could have been
> >> dealt with in a face to face meeting.
> >>
> >> Third, based on this experience, we are modifying the NCUC bylaws to
> clear
> >> up any remaining ambiguities in our eligibility requirements, and to
> >> provide clearer procedures for the EC to handle situations when a
> member’s
> >> or officer’s eligibility changes. We think this will help us to avoid
> the
> >> kind of problems and misunderstandings we had in this case.
> >>
> >> With the issuance of this statement, we consider this case to be closed.
> >> Our main concern has always been the integrity of the NCUC, and we think
> >> that point has been made. We hope that this statement addresses Peter’s
> >> concerns about the procedure. We understand from the Ombudsman that
> Peter
> >> has no interest in returning to the NCUC or its EC.
> >>
> >> Rafik Dammak
> >> Milton Mueller
> >> Farzaneh Badii
> >> Joao Carlos Caribe
> >> Grace Githaiga
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