[NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Logo - Ideas and designers out there?

Thu Dec 22 13:14:58 CET 2016

    Just a point of note, we are not autonomous at all. 

 We exist only as a construct of the ICANN bylaws so therefore are under the control of such guidance.

 -James

 I completely disagree.

 First, outside of a mention of our right to appoint a member of NomCom,  the ICANN Bylaws do not mention the Non-Commercial Users Constituency. Please look at section 11.5 of the new ICANN Bylaws:

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(iii)  Commercial Stakeholder Group representing the full range of large and small commercial entities of the Internet (“Commercial Stakeholder Group”), which includes the Business Constituency (“Business Constituency”), Intellectual Property Constituency (“Intellectual Property Constituency”) and the Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (“Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency”); and  	 

(iv)Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group representing the full range of non- commercial entities of the Internet.  

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 During the writing of the Bylaws we made sure that the NCUC was not mentioned by name in the Bylaws. That was by design. Traditionally, the NCUC has guarded it's independence. Note that we do not use ICANN's servers for our web pages, we fund our own provider. 

 Please note, as well:

 1. The NCUC has it's own bank account, one not controlled or accessible in any way by ICANN,

 2. The NCUC has it's own United States taxpayer identification number, one the has nothing to do with ICANN.

 I can assure you that should someone wish to sue the NCUC for some action our group took ICANN would quickly disavow any legal obligation or paternity for and of us. We're arguably already an unincorporated association under California law. I, and several others, have encouraged the NCUC EC to file the necessary paperwork with the California Secretary of State's office to remove any doubt as to our status. I hope some day they do so.

 That, of course, does not mean that ICANN could not eliminate the NCUC's role in the corporation. Of course, they could and some day might. That doesn't mean they would then be able to absorb our bank account or any other assets the NCUC may have. The NCUC has a legal existence separate from that of ICANN.

 Best,

 Ed

 From: Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
Reply-To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
Date: Thursday 22 December 2016 at 10:46
To: Aarti Bhavana <aarti.bhavana at nludelhi.ac.in>
Cc: Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Logo - Ideas and designers out there?

    Those visual identity guidelines apply to ICANN as an organisation… they don’t and shouldn’t apply to us as an autonomous constituency. 

 Just a thought, if we do not have a designer amongst us, can we put in a budget request for next financial year to hire an agency to brand us?

   Ayden Férdeline
 linkedin.com/in/ferdeline

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 From: aarti.bhavana at nludelhi.ac.in
 To: Mamadou LO <alfamamadou at hotmail.com>
 Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>

  Thanks for sharing! This is useful for maintaining consistency in design organisation-wide (should we want that). 

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  On 22 December 2016 at 16:00, Mamadou LO <alfamamadou at hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi all  

Cannot open the link below but think we must have a look at this before going forward! It's the most recent reference I see on the issue!  

   ICANN Visual Identity Guidelines  

https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/53773880/ICANN_StyleGuide_may2015.pdf?api=v2  

ICANN COMMUNICATIONS | VISUAL IDENTITY GUIDELINES | MAY 2015. 4. Mission Statement. This document governs the visual identity of ICANN's external .   

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Mamadou LO
 Chef du Departement Communication et Information Documentaire
 Head of Communication and Information Department
 Crédit Agricole Sénégal
 Tel : 221 77 645 59 57

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I think that Farzi has enough data to bring to ICANN communications dept and their designers now,.  

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Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Logo - Ideas and designers out there?  

Hi everybody,

as there are no new suggestions coming in I wanted to ask if anybody nows a designer how could have a look at it. It would be best to find somebody how would do it for free ofc. Maybe somebody within the community?

Best,

Florian 

Florian DANIEL

Sonnenweg 6
4280 Königswiesen
floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com
+43660 36 80 504 

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com> wrote:    

Hi Farzi and all,   

A lengthy discussions on the Logo design. 

Recently I worked with a professional Graphic designer for some personal mater. 

I've been told that the modern trend in logo design is to use the calligraphy style. As they described is to avoid the use of any symbols and focus on their logo design on the letters. 

We have a saying in Arabic "اعـط الـخـبـز خـبـازه ولـو اكــلنـصــفـه " 

Which tanslate: let the baker bake your bread even if half of be eaten. 

Maybe doing something for free would generate a great thing but we have to have another look at these isses in term of the time consuming discussing/ reading non-policy issues.  

Just a fruit of thought. 

Best wishes, 

Nadira  

On 15 Dec 2016 19:46, "Florian Daniel" <floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com> wrote:    

Hello again,

so I just created a Google Docs which you can find here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UUkTfvfBEH3vbQU-xeQP6CUHD0GUxfS6eCQYRty-NNA/edit?usp=sharing 

I created two sections.
First section to add impressions and key words, how you feel the NCUC should be described. We can use that later to give a designer a more concrete idea.

The second section offers the possibilty to add the already more concrete ideas. I created a table for that to keep it structured, but feel free to improve the document as you like! I didn´t come around to add the ideas already mentioned - yet.

Hopefully everybody can work with that document. If there are any issues please tell me as this is my first time creating a google doc for the list.

Best,

Florian 

Florian DANIEL

Sonnenweg 6
4280 Königswiesen
floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com
+43660 36 80 504 

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Florian Daniel <floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com> wrote:     

Hello everybody,   

+1 for creating a logo!  

To Stefanias idea: I like it,  however I think we will be having troubles using an Ant as our logo.  I would definitely try to go with something more abstract.     

Regarding the proposal to gather some describing words,  maybe we can create a Google docs or some document to gather impressions?   

All the best,   

Florian 

Am 15.12.2016 1:58 nachm. schrieb "Milan, Stefania" <Stefania.Milan at eui.eu>:   

I love the ant! Laborious, smart, small yet powerful...
it reminded me of this design collective doing political stuff:  http://beehivecollective.org

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why not an ant?

q

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Some very nice suggestions out there. :)Animal Planet J1. Elephant - they are smart and they never forget and the symbol ofthe Republican Party in the USA ...
2. Giraffe - in danger ofbecoming extinct ...
3. Zebra - less endangered and morefeisty in its habits... 4. Okapi - rare, even if it is quiet but it is respected ..
How about adding donkey to the list which is strong-willed, hardworking anda symbol of Democrats Party in the USA ..? :)
Best,

      From: Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
 To: hvale - owp <valentina at oneworldplatform.net>
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 Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Logo - Ideas and designers out there?

Hi all,

Was laughing when reading some comments here about the ideas of a logo we want for NCUC. This is a great idea, Farzi.

Please do remember a message from Mamadou and I would hope his interrogations were cleared because no one referred to them anymore. Here is what he said:
"But still searching and want to know more on ICANN policies and views on SO/AC visual identities (logo). Trying to benchmark and see constituencies which have already logos.."Great ideas so far. Just wanted to add if we can have the official ICANN logo to be seen in it so as to not lose some of the people who might miss the connexion betwen NCUC and ICANN. Maybe the ICANN globe and then on the bottom down instead of ICANN, we put NCUC? Too keep it simple and straight forward?
For an animal, I would suggest Okapi (not only because it is originated from my country, the DRC) but it can be seen as original because I haven't seen it used anywhere else. I may be wrong. Compared to giraffe, zebra, etc which are commonly known. Okapi is rare, even if it is quiet but it is respected.My two cents..
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2016-12-15 9:26 GMT+02:00 hvale - owp <valentina at oneworldplatform.net>:

Hi,

I would go for something that connect, augment and empower and enfasizes
diversity, trough shapes, graphics, colors

hvlae

On 12/14/2016 03:19 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> Grass-roots, freedom of expression, Internet, collaborative (chain?),
> interconnected, conversation.
>
> PS Tulip crash was the first economic crisis, to add a bit more context
> to that term ;)
>
> On 12/14/2016 03:12 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>> I think coming up with key words representative of NCUC work is a great
>> idea. You can also send keywords.
>>
>> On 14 December 2016 at 08:57, Corinne Cath <corinnecath at gmail.com
>> <mailto:corinnecath at gmail.com> > wrote:
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>>     I figured as much - perhaps we can do it the other way around and
>>     think of some key words we believe the NCUC represents & ask a
>>     designer to make some sketches? Best,
>>
>>     On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM, farzaneh badii
>>     <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail. com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Thanks Corinne,
>>
>>         Tulip was just a try-to-be humorous suggestion to get you going.
>>         I am not insisting. So would be good if the members  just come
>>         up with implementable ideas.
>>
>>         On 14 December 2016 at 08:46, Corinne Cath
>>         <corinnecath at gmail.com <mailto:corinnecath at gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>             Hi Farzi,
>>
>>             Thanks for suggesting this. I agree that a logo would be
>>             good, but perhaps move away from the Tullip as it is also a
>>             national symbol for the Dutch (eventhough we stole it from
>>             the Turkish) and towards something that represents
>>             wired-digital-civil-society, keeping Bill's fighting spirit
>>             but perhaps moving away from pirates?
>>
>>             best,
>>
>>
>>
>>             On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:05 PM, James Gannon
>>             <james at cyberinvasion.net <mailto:james at cyberinvasion. net>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>                 Im all for this =)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                 On 14/12/2016, 12:52, "Ncuc-discuss on behalf of William
>>                 Drake" <ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.  ncuc.org
>>                 <mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> on behalf
>>                 of  william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>
>>                 wrote:
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>>                 >http://www.clipartkid.com/ images/120/notre-dame- fighting-irish-logos- logotipos-gratuitos- clipartlogo-com-YGbhWf- clipart.png
>>                 <http://www.clipartkid.com/ images/120/notre-dame- fighting-irish-logos- logotipos-gratuitos- clipartlogo-com-YGbhWf- clipart.png>
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