[NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC participating in it?

Mon Dec 26 13:20:03 CET 2016

+1 @Ayden.
You go so far and deep ... Hummm
Warm regards form Togo, this is the harmattan season here.
Cheers !
-Olévié-


2016-12-26 6:30 GMT+00:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> I think there is merit in having the ability to choose who to hire to
> complete this work, provided we have a means of addressing any real or
> perceived conflicts of interest in said contracting practices. If we had a
> budget allocation and the authority to choose our own contractor, that
> might be preferable, but equally, it might be more trouble than it is
> worth...
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
> participating in it?
> Local Time: 26 December 2016 5:39 AM
> UTC Time: 26 December 2016 05:39
> From: milton at gatech.edu
> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, Arsène Tungali <
> arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>
>
> I am deeply distressed that so many people within NCUC can be enticed into
> an absurd bargain in which we outsource – to an ICANN selected firm! – our
> ability to develop policy positions and public comments. As a founder of
> NCUC I have fought from the beginning for its ability to develop its OWN
> capacity to articulate and represent noncommercial interests in the ICANN
> process. Now we are being told that it is a great thing to avoid all this
> difficult work and rely on ICANN itself to pay someone else to do it.
>
>
>
> Would the people who think this is a good deal kindly take a look at the
> entity that is being put forward to do our policy development work for us?
> Here is the principal of WBC Global: https://www.linkedin.com/in/
> dan-o-neill-44778730
>
>
>
> Here is what his LinkedIN page says his company does for a living:
>
>
>
> Leading international trade government relations consulting firm serving
> multinational clients – with focus on the Asia-Pacific. Offers public
> policy, political and strategic business advice to Fortune 500 and other
> companies, with a focus on international trade, market access and
> intellectual property rights. Represent companies before Congress, the
> White House and federal agencies on a diverse set of public policy matters
> including investment, international trade disputes, international tax,
> custom issues as well as economic sanctions issues.
>
>
>
> So a corporate multinational consulting firm is going to do a great job of
> drafting our policy documents. Right.
>
>
>
> Still not convinced? Let’s put this a different way. The Internet
> Governance Project (http://internetgovernance.org) at Georgia Tech has
> some of the world’s leading Internet governance experts working there,
> strong ties to NCUC, and access to a wealth of engineering and policy
> talent at the Institute for Information Security and Policy (IISP). IGP
> already spends a lot of time working on ICANN stuff – comments, position
> papers, etc. We’d be happy to get paid for this work; indeed, sometimes we
> succeed in getting other people (not ICANN) to give us grants to do it. A
> guaranteed revenue stream from ICANN would certainly make that easier.
>
>
>
> Do you think ICANN would ever consider paying IGP to do the work that they
> are paying WBC Global to do? Somehow I doubt it. And I doubt it precisely
> because IGP known NCUC and does a really good job of critically assessing
> ICANN and its policies from that perspective. We would never get funded, in
> other words, precisely because we ARE so close to NCUC and so independent
> of ICANN corporate.
>
>
>
> If you think I am engaged in special pleading, ask yourself this: do you
> think they would make grants to Article 19 to pay them to help us write
> policies and conduct research on human rights matters? I doubt it.
>
>
>
> Maybe the people who like this idea think that they are going to get some
> of this money. But even if they did, do we really want civil society groups
> competing against each other for ICANN money to do the policy work that
> they are supposed to be doing on behalf of civil society itself? What
> groups do you think would be selected, and which ones rejected, in this
> competition?
>
>
>
> THINK ABOUT IT.
>
>
>
> Outsourcing our policy development capacity to ICANN is the beginning of
> the end of civil society’s representation in ICANN.
>
>
>
> Dr. Milton L. Mueller
>
> Professor, School of Public Policy
>
> Georgia Institute of Technology
>
>
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>
>
> *From:* Ncuc-discuss [mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Ayden Férdeline
> *Sent:* Friday, December 23, 2016 5:32 AM
> *To:* Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
> participating in it?
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing your views here, Arsène and Nadira. I am really glad we
> are having this discussion again, and hope that the EC will involve us in
> its discussions in the New Year over what level of involvement or
> organisational support we would like to receive. I just wanted to clarify,
> however, that this programme is separate to the pilot community onboarding
> programme, as I think the two are being conflated. The pilot community
> onboarding programme is working to provide new volunteer talent with a
> faster entrance into the ICANN community, and is being developed
> internally. This programme, administered externally by WBC Global, is
> intended to support our involvement in ICANN’s various policy development
> processes. What works for other constituencies and stakeholder groups may
> not work for us, but my understanding is that others are using this support
> now to aid in their policy work. Of course it would be unwise to think of
> this offer of assistance from ICANN as help without strings attached — we
> should think carefully about what support we are happy to accept, and how
> we can ensure we do not become inappropriately dependent upon it. But we do
> need additional support, and if we continue to decline the assistance of
> paid external consultants while others, already with more resources then us
> accept it, we may only exacerbate our disadvantages.
>
>
>
> Ayden Férdeline
>
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>
>
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> -------- Original Message --------
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> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
> participating in it?
>
> Local Time: 23 December 2016 9:31 AM
>
> UTC Time: 23 December 2016 09:31
>
> From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com
>
> To: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com>
>
> Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>
>
>
> Thanks Ayden for good memories.
>
> I think Farzi has set a good timeline in her last message. Let's see what
> will be the outcomes of step 1, 2 as described and then decide whether
> worth implementing.
>
>
>
> Nadira raises a good point. We may need to also dig what other
> constituencies have been able to do with such a pilot program and maybe
> build from their experience.
>
> After all, any program that aims to help members be well equiped in policy
> disussion or research should be welcomed (of course after being checked).
> This should be the starting point to ensure new members are able to engage
> in ICANN work.
>
>
>
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>
> **Arsène Tungali**
>
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>
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> Tel: +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
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>
> Blogger <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow
> <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en>. The
> HuffingtonPost UK
> <http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/liza-bel/drc_b_8958150.html>
>
>
>
> 2016-12-23 0:06 GMT+02:00 Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi Ayden,
>
> Thanks to Farzaneh for considering the pilot program.
>
> To my understanding that constituencies didn't use their pilot program for
> policy research but to document an introduction for new commers in how to
> get engaged in the community.
>
> Until now didn't read any  report about the outcome of its first round.
>
>
>
> Worth checking,
>
> Nadira
>
>
>
> On 22 Dec 2016 14:41, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ayden
>
>
>
> Thanks for bringing this up.
>
>
>
> Next year in January, we will do the following 1. Assessing whether  we
> can participate in the pilot if renewed. 2. Coming up with our own ideas
> for receinving policy receving assistance.
>
> 3. Implementation ( this might happen in Feb or March)
>
>
>
> On 22 Dec 2016 7:29 a.m., "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Farzi,
>
>
>
> Thanks for this update and for sharing your perspective on this issue.
>
>
>
> I am glad to hear that the EC will re-evaluate whether or not we choose to
> participate in this pilot programme. At my second ICANN meeting in
> Marrakech, I remember listening to Kathy Kleiman brilliantly communicate to
> the Board that we needed to build our capacity to absorb an increased,
> growing, and specialised workload. When this pilot programme was announced,
> it felt to me like our calls had been heard and resources were being
> offered to boost our participation in ICANN activities. Now it seems like
> other, already-better resourced constituencies and stakeholder groups are
> benefiting from this programme while we turned it down… do forgive me if I
> am oversimplifying things… I just think a better path forward would be if
> participated in the pilot programme and set our own parametres around
> what support we would accept and what support we would find unsuitable.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Ayden Férdeline
>
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
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> -------- Original Message --------
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> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
> participating in it?
>
> Local Time: 22 December 2016 12:11 PM
>
> UTC Time: 22 December 2016 12:11
>
> From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>
> To: matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org>
>
> NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>
>
>
> We didn't continue discussing it and in the end did not sign up for it for
> this time. I am now looking into if there will be another opportunity to
> sign up for it in the future.
>
>
>
> The EC has to decide on this, one way or another we are going to come up
> with  ways to support policy research in the new year. (Even through other
> means but that's for next year)
>
>
>
> Just that you know my opinion about using such services: I do not see any
> problem as long as it is supervised and the researchers do not put in their
> own opinion in docs. But that's my personal opinion and need to discuss
> with EC.
>
>
>
> On 22 Dec 2016 06:20, "matthew shears" <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:
>
> Didn't we reject this option when it was presented to us?  Unfortunately
>
>
>
> On 22/12/2016 11:19, James Gannon wrote:
>
> Oh great point, I had forgotten. Whats the status on this?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> on behalf of
> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>
> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>
> *Date: *Thursday 22 December 2016 at 11:01
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> *To: *NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
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> *Subject: *[NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
> participating in it?
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>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Whatever happened to that ICANN pilot programme which was to offer
> selected constituencies and stakeholder groups assistance with policy
> research and document drafting? I remember being told in Helsinki its
> launch was imminent, and had an excellent discussion with a consultant from
> WBC Global about it. Are there any updates?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Ayden Férdeline
>
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
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