[NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC participating in it?

Fri Dec 23 14:22:20 CET 2016

Thanks Ayden, for explaining the difference of the two pilot program. In
fact I didn't know about the externally funded program.
I second both Farzi, Ayden and Arsène to investigate into the externally
research oriented pilot program as per Farzi's comments.
Wishing you a happy holidays and catch up with you after the new year.

On 23 Dec 2016 13:27, "Arsène Tungali" <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for clarifying, Ayden. I was actually confusing both programs.

So to sum up (with my comment in bold),
1. The pilot community onboarding programme is working to provide new
volunteer talent with a faster entrance into the ICANN community, and is
being developed internally. *How far are we with this one*?* We may need to
speed up this as well because new members are being added regularly and
there is no time to waste.*

2. This programme, administered externally by WBC Global, is intended to
support our involvement in ICANN’s various policy development processes.

*I think this is the one Farzi was talking about, which is starting next
year? i agree with you, Ayden that we need to take advantage of it and be
cautious about what we can take or not.*

*Thanks for providing more clarity and/or updates.*

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2016-12-23 12:32 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> Thanks for sharing your views here, Arsène and Nadira. I am really glad we
> are having this discussion again, and hope that the EC will involve us in
> its discussions in the New Year over what level of involvement or
> organisational support we would like to receive. I just wanted to clarify,
> however, that this programme is separate to the pilot community onboarding
> programme, as I think the two are being conflated. The pilot community
> onboarding programme is working to provide new volunteer talent with a
> faster entrance into the ICANN community, and is being developed
> internally. This programme, administered externally by WBC Global, is
> intended to support our involvement in ICANN’s various policy development
> processes. What works for other constituencies and stakeholder groups may
> not work for us, but my understanding is that others are using this support
> now to aid in their policy work. Of course it would be unwise to think of
> this offer of assistance from ICANN as help without strings attached — we
> should think carefully about what support we are happy to accept, and how
> we can ensure we do not become inappropriately dependent upon it. But we do
> need additional support, and if we continue to decline the assistance of
> paid external consultants while others, already with more resources then us
> accept it, we may only exacerbate our disadvantages.
>
> Ayden Férdeline
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>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
> participating in it?
> Local Time: 23 December 2016 9:31 AM
> UTC Time: 23 December 2016 09:31
> From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com
> To: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com>
> Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>
> Thanks Ayden for good memories.
> I think Farzi has set a good timeline in her last message. Let's see what
> will be the outcomes of step 1, 2 as described and then decide whether
> worth implementing.
>
> Nadira raises a good point. We may need to also dig what other
> constituencies have been able to do with such a pilot program and maybe
> build from their experience.
> After all, any program that aims to help members be well equiped in policy
> disussion or research should be welcomed (of course after being checked).
> This should be the starting point to ensure new members are able to engage
> in ICANN work.
>
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> 2016-12-23 0:06 GMT+02:00 Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Ayden,
>> Thanks to Farzaneh for considering the pilot program.
>> To my understanding that constituencies didn't use their pilot program
>> for policy research but to document an introduction for new commers in how
>> to get engaged in the community.
>> Until now didn't read any  report about the outcome of its first round.
>>
>> Worth checking,
>> Nadira
>>
>> On 22 Dec 2016 14:41, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>> Thanks for bringing this up.
>>
>> Next year in January, we will do the following 1. Assessing whether  we
>> can participate in the pilot if renewed. 2. Coming up with our own ideas
>> for receinving policy receving assistance.
>> 3. Implementation ( this might happen in Feb or March)
>>
>> On 22 Dec 2016 7:29 a.m., "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Farzi,
>>>
>>> Thanks for this update and for sharing your perspective on this issue.
>>>
>>> I am glad to hear that the EC will re-evaluate whether or not we choose
>>> to participate in this pilot programme. At my second ICANN meeting in
>>> Marrakech, I remember listening to Kathy Kleiman brilliantly communicate to
>>> the Board that we needed to build our capacity to absorb an increased,
>>> growing, and specialised workload. When this pilot programme was announced,
>>> it felt to me like our calls had been heard and resources were being
>>> offered to boost our participation in ICANN activities. Now it seems like
>>> other, already-better resourced constituencies and stakeholder groups are
>>> benefiting from this programme while we turned it down… do forgive me if I
>>> am oversimplifying things… I just think a better path forward would be if
>>> participated in the pilot programme and set our own parametres around
>>> what support we would accept and what support we would find unsuitable.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
>>> participating in it?
>>> Local Time: 22 December 2016 12:11 PM
>>> UTC Time: 22 December 2016 12:11
>>> From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>>> To: matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org>
>>> NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>
>>> We didn't continue discussing it and in the end did not sign up for it
>>> for this time. I am now looking into if there will be another opportunity
>>> to sign up for it in the future.
>>>
>>> The EC has to decide on this, one way or another we are going to come up
>>> with  ways to support policy research in the new year. (Even through other
>>> means but that's for next year)
>>>
>>> Just that you know my opinion about using such services: I do not see
>>> any problem as long as it is supervised and the researchers do not put in
>>> their own opinion in docs. But that's my personal opinion and need to
>>> discuss with EC.
>>>
>>> On 22 Dec 2016 06:20, "matthew shears" <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Didn't we reject this option when it was presented to us?  Unfortunately
>>>
>>> On 22/12/2016 11:19, James Gannon wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh great point, I had forgotten. Whats the status on this?
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> on behalf of
>>> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> *Date: *Thursday 22 December 2016 at 11:01
>>> *To: *NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>> *Subject: *[NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
>>> participating in it?
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Whatever happened to that ICANN pilot programme which was to offer
>>> selected constituencies and stakeholder groups assistance with policy
>>> research and document drafting? I remember being told in Helsinki its
>>> launch was imminent, and had an excellent discussion with a consultant from
>>> WBC Global about it. Are there any updates?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>
>>>
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