[NCUC-DISCUSS] important information
Klaus Stoll
kdrstoll at gmail.com
Mon Aug 15 17:04:46 CEST 2016
Dear All!
I want to congratulate Peter for his considered response and the wise
decision to put this matter into the hands of the ombuds.... This is the
fairest and most effective way to come to a decision.
Yours
Klaus
On 8/15/2016 6:48 AM, Sonigitu Ekpe wrote:
>
> Hi All!
>
> Great to hear Peter Green's response.
>
> I hoped to be properly clarified as I keep my fingers crossed.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Sonigitu Ekpe
>
>
> On 12 Aug 2016 2:46 p.m., "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg at isoc-cr.org
> <mailto:crg at isoc-cr.org>> wrote:
>
> +1 Seun
> I look forward to the OMBUDSMAN´s analysis.
>
> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
> +506 8837 7176
> Skype: carlos.raulg
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> On 12 Aug 2016, at 7:41, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
> If what Peter writes here is a fact then i strongly suggest
> that EC
> rethinks their approach of engaging. I encourage the Chair to
> subsequently
> take further discussion about this off-list and communicate
> final decision
> of the EC to the public.
>
> Regards
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Peter Green
> <seekcommunications at hotmail.com
> <mailto:seekcommunications at hotmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Sorry for responding late. I have been kept away from any
> work for a few
> days due to my family affairs in far hometown.
> I was shocked by the wave of this public discussion here.
> Before I went home, I did acknowledge receipt of a Letter
> from the EC,
> which came as a complete shock.
> I did not know any investigation by the EC until I
> received the letter.
> What made me feel misery is that the letter does not
> include any word or
> any timeline to ask me to respond and I do not know what
> to do, since the
> letter only asks me to resign.
>
> To be clear, I do not think I broke the rules regarding
> the eligibility
> of NCUC individual membership under current NCUC Bylaws.
> I do not accept any alleged claim that I broke it.
>
> Now that there have been such huge divergent views on this
> among many my
> respected NCUC veterans Milton, Bill, Kathy, Avri etc.
> I would not waste your time here. I ask for the ICANN
> Ombudsman to look
> into this. Let the Ombudsman judge. I will take no
> further action until
> then.
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Best Regards
> Peter Green
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *发件人:* Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org
> <mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org>> 代表 Zakir Syed
> via Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
> <mailto:ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>>
> *发送时间:* 2016年8月12日 6:51
> *收件人:* Rao Naveed Bin Rais; farzaneh badii
> *抄送:* ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
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> *主题:* Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] important information
>
> Thanks Naveed, thats a good point but IMHO, the focus here
> is not this
> particular case or any decisions that is made or going to
> be made. I
> believe our focus here is (as Stefania said) a much-needed
> assessment of
> our rules and our role.
>
> Best,
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Rao Naveed Bin Rais <naveedbinrais at gmail.com
> <mailto:naveedbinrais at gmail.com>>
> *To:* farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>
> *Cc:* Zakir Syed <zakirbinrehman at yahoo.com
> <mailto:zakirbinrehman at yahoo.com>>;
> "ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
> <mailto:ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>"
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> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:14 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] important information
>
> I fully agree with the arguments made by Farzaneh.
>
> However, I just wonder if the violation was made recently
> or is it an old
> matter. As far as I remember, Peter has been serving the
> EC representing
> the AP region for around 3 years and anyways is not
> eligible to contest for
> the next elections on the EC seat.
>
> Naveed -
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 9:36 PM, farzaneh badii
> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hello Zakir,
>
> Initially, we sent a private message to Peter to resign.
> Why? Because we
> did not want Peter to be under public scrutiny. We had to
> make our email
> public because unfortunately we did not receive a response
> from Peter
> challenging us or resigning but we found out that other
> people have been
> informed. We did not want some of our members to know
> about the issue while
> others didn't hence had to announce it.
>
>
> We are the executive committee elected by the
> constituency (not
> appointed) and we have to to make decisions. As to the
> procedural matters,
> first I have to say I stand up for the principles of
> procedural justice and
> have spent a long time working on them. But in this case,
> our members are
> voicing concerns about procedural matters which are very
> important in
> many situations but in our situation, these procedural
> matters should be
> considered in light of the nature of our functioning and
> work. I have
> several remarks on this.
>
> We are not an adversarial body, we are an executive
> committee. While we
> have to observe the principles of procedural justice we
> can decide how we
> approach issues and make decisions and of course provide
> plausible
> rationales for those decisions. Not all procedural justice
> principles (I am
> adamant not to use due process, I think it's the wrong
> usage) apply to
> every situation. For example in the beginning,
> transparency would not have
> been in favor of Peter. But we had to make the matter
> public because Peter
> did not directly communicate with us.
>
>
> In the beginning, EC decided not to make the matter
> public(because of the
> reason I said above), communication took place between EC
> members
> (respected his privacy and maintained confidentiality),
> told Peter the
> basis of EC decision, one of the pillars of justice is to
> give reason for
> the decision , and requested him to resign from EC (which
> is pragmatic
> justice, clear instructions on what we wanted him to do).
> Please note that
> nothing is final at this stage.
>
> You should also know that this issue was raised over a
> year ago when some
> of us were not on the Executive Committee and Peter was
> warned about this.
> We did not make a hasty decision.
>
> What I have also been hearing is whether Peter had the
> chance to provide
> evidence or defend himself. The decision to ask *Peter to
> resign from EC *(note
> that he was asked to resign from EC not NCUC) has been
> made primarily
> based on one fact that cannot be challenged nor defended:
> Peter is a
> full-time employee of a registry. Based on our
> interpretation of the bylaws
> and considering other matters such as the integrity of our
> constituency we
> decided that Peter should *resign from EC. *
>
> Some may dispute our decision and might disagree that the
> fact that Peter
> works for a registry and is in a leadership role at NCUC
> do not hamper our
> integrity. I think it is necessary for us to discuss
> things with our
> members and inform them of the decisions which I have
> tried to actively do
> and we need to listen to our members and members should be
> able to
> challenge us. However, in the end, EC has to make a
> decision. At the moment
> the mechanism to challenge and hold the EC accountable as
> Milton said is
> through elections. If the majority of members are
> concerned with the way EC
> makes decisions then they can vote against them. If it
> gets to the point
> that members do not see elections as a sufficient tool or
> optimal, some
> other measures maybe considered.
>
> EC should and we try our best to take fair decisions.
>
> The next step for us (EC) is to have a meeting with Peter.
> This meeting
> will be transcribed and notes will be taken.
>
> Best
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11 August 2016 at 02:31, Zakir Syed
> <zakirbinrehman at yahoo.com
> <mailto:zakirbinrehman at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear Farzaneh, Thanks for that info.
> Was wondering, why not to wait for a response from Peter
> first.
> Just if Peter resigns (he has not - as you said) the
> Article VII will do.
> But if, there is a response/explanation from Peter and no
> resignation, I
> don't think the Article VII will do. I could be wrong
> though. Also, what is
> going to be the tool for taking the "next steps". I mean,
> do we have
> anything for such a scenario in the bylaws? If not, what
> happens.
>
> Best,
> Zakir
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>
> *To:* KASWESHA <kaswesha at gmail.com
> <mailto:kaswesha at gmail.com>>
> *Cc:* "ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
> <mailto:ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>"
> <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
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> *Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2016 3:52 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] important information
>
> Dear Kaswesha,
>
> Let me clarify that we have requested Peter to resign from
> NCUC EC but
> Peter has not resigned yet, so we are yet to take the next
> steps.
>
> NCUC Bylaws have predicted processes in case of a member
> leaves office
> (Article VII) .According to Article VII(section E), as we
> have less than 6
> months to the EC elections, no early elections are needed
> and the chair may
> appoint a temporary replacement.
>
> Best
>
> Farzaneh
>
> On 8 August 2016 at 12:05, KASWESHA <kaswesha at gmail.com
> <mailto:kaswesha at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Noted Rafik. Does this mean we have a by-election to
> replace Peter? Or How
> does work?
>
>
> James Njoroge
>
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> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Rafik Dammak
> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Dear members:
>
> I am sharing with you an important and extraordinary
> announcement. Last
> week the NCUC EC agreed to ask one of its members, Peter
> Green, to resign.
> It was not an easy act or one that we took lightly, and we
> had to think
> about it for some time. Our action was necessary because
> of an undeclared
> conflict of interest and a clash with our membership
> eligibility rules.
>
> Peter is an employee of CONAC, a TLD registry associated
> with the
> government of China. As a CONAC employee, he is an active
> member of and
> participant in the Registry Stakeholder Group. It has been
> a longstanding
> principle of NCUC membership eligibility rules that people
> or organizations
> that are members of another SG or constituency in the GNSO
> cannot also be
> members of NCUC (bylaws III.3). This is done to prevent
> other interest
> groups from attempting to control or unduly shape our
> Constituency, which
> is devoted to noncommercial user interests.
>
> Peter has been actively working on behalf of the Registry
> SG for some
> time, even as he has been serving on our Executive
> Committee. This is
> evident from articles such as this
> http://www.chinagov.cn/english /News/CONACNews/201509/t201509
> 24_281168.html
> <http://www.chinagov.cn/english/News/CONACNews/201509/t20150924_281168.html
> <http://www.chinagov.cn/english/News/CONACNews/201509/t20150924_281168.html>>
> and from records of the registry constituency working
> group such as this https://community.icann.org/di
> splay/S1SF/Drafting+Team
> <https://community.icann.org/display/S1SF/Drafting+Team
> <https://community.icann.org/display/S1SF/Drafting+Team>>
> We note with concern that Peter's Conflict of Interest
> statement when
> running for election to the NCUC EC failed to mention his
> employment at
> CONAC.
>
> I wanted you to be aware of this issue and to understand
> the basis for our
> actions.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik Dammak
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
> Dear Peter (Zuan Zhang):
> For some time we (the undersigned representatives of the
> Executive
> Committee) have received complaints or expressions of
> concern about your
> eligibility for membership in the Noncommercial
> Stakeholders Group. The EC
> has investigated this matter and has come to the
> conclusion that you are
> ineligible for NCSG membership and thus must resign from
> the NCUC Executive
> Committee immediately.
> We want to make it clear that this is not caused by any
> misconduct on your
> part; it is purely a matter of applying our eligibility
> rules. Your
> contribution to our EC has been exemplary, but we cannot
> continue to
> contradict our membership rules. This would open the door
> to many other
> ineligible members and possible abuses. We hope you can
> accept this
> decision in a good spirit.
> Section 2.2.2 of the NCSG charter specifically excludes
> from membership
> "Organizations that are represented in ICANN through
> another Supporting
> Organization."
> Section 2.2.5 of the NCSG charter makes it clear that
> individuals are
> eligible only if they are "not represented in ICANN
> through membership in
> another Supporting Organization or GNSO Stakeholder Group."
> As an employee of CONAC, you are a member of the Registry
> stakeholder
> group and have played an active role representing CONAC in
> the Registry
> Stakeholder Group (RSG). CONAC is a domain name registry,
> which has its own
> Stakeholder Group, where your affiliation with CONAC as an
> employee is
> persistent and strong. We understand that before CONAC was
> a TLD registry,
> its employees were admitted into NCSG because there was no
> other place for
> them to be represented and there was less of a conflict of
> interest. But
> that time has passed; CONAC is now a full-fledged TLD
> registry operator and
> its policy interests are represented in the RSG.
> We thank you for your prior participation in our group and
> encourage you
> to stay involved in the GNSO via the Registry Stakeholder
> Group.
> Farzaneh Badii
> Caribe Joao Carlos
> Rafik Dammak
> Grace Githaiga
> Milton Mueller
>
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