[NCUC-DISCUSS] [NCUC-EC] Replacement on Cross Community WorkingGroup on Internet Governance

Matthew Shears mshears at cdt.org
Mon Apr 11 14:06:41 CEST 2016


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On 4/11/2016 7:39 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> with regard to CCWG-IG role and tasks, it is better to check its 
> charter before jumping in some conclusions , you can find it here 
> https://community.icann.org/display/CPMMB/CCWG+on+IG+Charter . the 
> list of the activities mentioned in the charter:
>
> "• Provide input to ICANN staff, SOs and/or ACs on issues pertaining 
> to Internet Governance discussions and processes.
> • Provide input to the participating SOs and/or ACs to ensure such 
> input as mentioned under a. above is reflected in ICANN’s activities 
> in discussions and processes pertaining to Internet Governance.
> • Convey to the ICANN community discussions about ICANN or ICANN 
> matters that arise in other Internet Governance discussions and 
> processes.
> • Organize SO and AC focused sessions
> • Disseminate and summarize information relevant and related to the 
> Internet Governance events and processes described above.
> • Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate, in 
> accordance with the rules of this Charter"
>
> ICANN is already involved in several IG spaces via its staff and 
> participating in different processes like OECD, CSTD , WSIS+10 review 
> and so on submitting comments. there was some progress with the staff 
> sharing in several occasions the submissions for comments and review.
>
> the CCWG-IG can do more and it needs more participants to do so, to 
> push for more work like position papers and statements. there was too 
> much focus on organizing the IG session at ICANN meeting and it should 
> shift from that to more substantive deliverable. to alleviate the 
> concerns , the CCWG is not aimed to have the exclusivity of IG 
> discussion within ICANN.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2016-04-11 17:36 GMT+09:00 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" 
> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de 
> <mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>>:
>
>
>     Hi Milton,
>
>     I think almost everything you say below is correct. But in my eyes
>     this does not lead to the conclusion to close the CCWG. My
>     conclusion is that we have to re-boot it.
>
>     I agree that the CCWG did a bad job in the last two years. There
>     was only little innovative outcome. The organized panels within
>     ICANN meetings were with little audience, sometimes confusing or
>     overpacked and more (burocratic and low quality)presentations than
>     creative discussions.
>
>     However to conclude we should close the CCWG (I was not a member
>     and do not intend to join) would be to throw the baby out with the
>     bathwater. The CCWG needs a re-booting after the completion of the
>     IANA Stewardship Transition. ICANNs involvement in broader IG
>     issues - as you have described below - is a cross constituency
>     challenge. How you can develop ICANN "foreign policies" in an
>     isolated way, leaving it to some activists from some SOs or ACs?
>
>     During the two years of discussion around the IANA transition, the
>     concept of a CCWG has emerged as a very robust and useful
>     instrument to discuss and settle issues which are in the interests
>     of all SOs and ACs. And this is here the case. Broader IG issues
>     need a cross constituency discussion platform. I agree that the
>     existing CCWG needs re-chartered and has to produce more tangible
>     outcome (recommendations, advice etc). To close it would give the
>     wrong signal and could have unintended side-effects, feeding
>     "isolationalism".
>
>     I see this also from a more strategic point of view. When the IANA
>     transition is completed we have to start a discussion about
>     restructurung ICANN according to the new realities which emerged
>     both inside and outside of ICANN in the 2010s. The existing ICANN
>     structure goes back to 2002. As you remember I introduced in
>     Buenos Aires the idea to start a discussion about a general
>     restructuring of ICANN as soon as the transition is completed. I
>     called it "Workstream 3" and "ICANN 2020" (probably it will need
>     some years more and "ICANN 2025" is more realistic). We had a good
>     first BOF in Marrakesh. My vision for a restructured ICANN would
>     be a three layer model for the "empowered community":
>     Layer 1: three SOs (as contracting parties)
>     Layer 2: four ACs (as stakeholder representative goups with
>     individual constituencies)
>     Layer 3: issue based CCWGs (where needed) which can be created and
>     closed according to the needs.
>     In this concept a CCWG on IG could be developed into a platform
>     where all SOs and ACs (and their constituencies) have a place to
>     discuss how ICANN should design its "foreign policy".
>
>     Again: My recommendaiton is NOT to close the CCWG but to reform
>     (re-boot) it.
>
>     Wolfgang
>
>
>     Wolfgang:
>     I think almost everything you say below is correct, but does not
>     really bear on the question whether we need to continue the CCWG-IG.
>
>     You are asking "how the involvement of ICANN in broader IG issues
>     should be designed in the future." Do you really think this
>     CCWG-IG has anything to say about that?
>
>     Let me recount for you all the ways in which ICANN people and
>     entities interact with the broader IG environment whether or not
>     this CCWG exists:
>
>     1. ICANN's board and CEO can and probably will continue to send
>     staff to WSIS-related meetings, civil society meetings such as
>     Rightscon, EU and EC meetings, regional meetings of governments,
>     cybersecurity seminars and conferences and intergovernmental
>     meetings, etc. etc. This is a matter of board policy, not CCWG policy
>
>     2. ICANN constituencies and stakeholder groups will continue to
>     attend meetings such as IGF, at the global, regional and local
>     level, and many of these meetings will be focused broadly on IG
>     and not narrowly.
>
>     3. CROPP funding will continue to send ICANN participants to the
>     farther reaches of the IG environment. The CCWG-IG does not
>     provide or allocate CROPP funds.
>
>     4. Blogs and news items about the broader environment (e.g., IGP
>     blog, Circle ID, India's CCG and CIS, CDT) will be written by
>     and/or read by ICANN people
>
>     5. Summer schools, such as the one you run in Meissen, and
>     regional ones, will continue to situate ICANN in the broader context.
>
>     Etc., etc.
>
>     I was struck by Bill Drake's comments about the CCWG-IG - unlike
>     you, he has labored in it for sometime, and if he is not all that
>     enthusiastic about continuing it in its present form, it speaks
>     volumes.
>
>
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Ncuc-discuss [mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org
>     <mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org>] On Behalf
>     > Of "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
>     > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:33 AM
>     > To: William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
>     <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>; NCUC-discuss <ncuc-
>     > discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:discuss at lists.ncuc.org>>
>     > Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] [NCUC-EC] Replacement on Cross Community
>     > WorkingGroup on Internet Governance
>     >
>     > Hi,
>     >
>     > I did not participate in this CCWG. But when I was in the Board
>     we had various
>     > discussions how the involvement of ICANN in broader IG issues
>     should be
>     > designed in the future (in particular after the IANA
>     transition). There are two
>     > schools of thought: One (the isolationsists) which argue that
>     ICANN should
>     > more or less ignore what happens ourtside the I* world. The
>     other group
>     > argues (and I was part of this group) that there is a need that
>     ICANN remains
>     > involved in IGF, WGEC, WSIS (and even in Wuzhen, FII, NMI, GIGC,
>     GCSC, GFCE
>     > etc.). Broader Internet Governance is and can not be ICANNs core
>     business
>     > and there is a risk of mission creep. But ignorance and
>     isolation can fire back
>     > and ICANN can find itself in an unfriendly environment which
>     could make the
>     > daily operations of its core business more complicated if
>     processes start in
>     > bodies (like UNCSTD or Wuzehn or The Hague) and Trigger
>     develoopments in
>     > wrong directions. If ICANN is not present and can not raise the
>     voice, this can
>     > happen. Sometimes such processes are difficult to stop. I called
>     the needed
>     > ICANN involvement in broader IG issues as an investment into the
>     protection
>     > of ICANNs environment. I do also not buy SDB´s argument that ICANNs
>     > engagement in the NetMundial was a mistake. Insofar I propose to
>     continue
>     > with this CCWG. The ICANN Board needs good advice from the community
>     > and a CCWG approach is a good approach to trigger bottom up
>     developments
>     > of reasonable positions.
>     >
>     > Wolfgang
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >   etc.+ bve very<  s a
>     >
>     >
>     > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>     > Von: Ncuc-discuss im Auftrag von William Drake
>     > Gesendet: So 10.04.2016 16:55
>     > An: NCUC-discuss
>     > Betreff: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] [NCUC-EC] Replacement on Cross Community
>     > WorkingGroup on Internet Governance
>     >
>     > Hi
>     >
>     > > On Apr 9, 2016, at 06:19, avri doria <avri at apc.org
>     <mailto:avri at apc.org>> wrote:
>     > >
>     > > +1
>     > >
>     > > On 08-Apr-16 18:34, Matthew Shears wrote:
>     > >> I am a firm believer that this CCWG should exist and it
>     should do so
>     > >> for a very specific reason:
>     >
>     >
>     > There has been an on again off again conversation for about the
>     past year
>     > about the future of the CCWIG.  As I wrote to the NCSG-PC list
>     in February,
>     >
>     > >> the CCW-IG was initially set up after the 2013 BA meeting to
>     provide a
>     > written input to the NETmundial meeting.  Since then it has
>     drifted with no
>     > ability to work on common texts of any kind (due to resistance
>     from various
>     > biz actors we know), and indeed no ability to have a coherent
>     discussion of
>     > this or other matters.  By default its sole activities have
>     turned into a) pressing
>     > Nigel and Tarek to explain what they say in intergovernmental
>     settings; and b)
>     > planning the public IG sessions, which have turned into MAG-like
>     escapades
>     > with agenda control games (one guess who) being played out on weekly
>     > phone calls typically involving less than a dozen people.
>     > >>
>     > >> As the NCSG 'participant' on the CCWIG I'm inclined to think
>     it should be
>     > wound down, or turned into a working party.  If people
>     interested in the
>     > broader IG landscape want a place to talk about its relevance to
>     ICANN,
>     > interface with staff who rep ICANN in intergovernmental spaces,
>     and monkey
>     > around micromanaging the public IG session, fine, by why does it
>     need to be a
>     > chartered CCWG with all the constraints that implies?  If it was
>     a coalition of
>     > the willing, the group might actually able to say or do
>     something, as the HR
>     > group has.
>     >
>     > I couldn't attend the F2F meeting of the group in Marrakech
>     > https://meetings.icann.org/en/marrakech55/schedule/wed-ccwg-ig
>     as the
>     > NomCom had a meeting at the same time.  But I'm told this was
>     discussed a
>     > bit, and that the people in attendance decided that it should
>     remain a CCWG,
>     > an organizational form that is apparently uniquely well suited
>     to the two
>     > activities mentioned above.  So that's where things rest at the
>     moment.
>     >
>     > Cheers
>     >
>     > Bill
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