[NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC EC Elections - Voting Starts tomorrow 23 Nov 2015

[Mueller, Milton L]

Economists have the notion of sunk costs, i.e., basically costs you have incurred and can’t do anything about later. The past elections strike this political economist as a sunk cost. May have been a mistake but we can’t do anything about it. I don’t think we open up any serious issues about past elections by doing this. It’s not like the current EC rode to power on the election counting method. We could of course retroactively impeach Bill and the entire EC – that would be fun and productive, eh? – but lacking the ability for time travel we could not undo what they did in their tenure and besides there is no evidence the results of the election would be different anyway. So let’s recognize the error and do it right this time. And let’s have all EC candidates pledge to fix the bylaws.

--MM

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Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC EC Elections - Voting Starts tomorrow 23 Nov 2015

Personally I feel that given we are currently revising the bylaws recognising their unsuitability at the moment we would be best placed to go with the actual practise exercised during the last number of elections as its the practise that has elected the previous number of candidates to their positions, unless we wish to open up the previous elections for allegations of impropriety we should continue the current practise and wait until we have made a decision in the bylaws subgroup on this matter.

-jg

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Date: Tuesday 24 November 2015 at 1:33 p.m.
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Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC EC Elections - Voting Starts tomorrow 23 Nov 2015

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org<mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
Hi Bill,
Technically changing the weights in the list is trivial (I think
Maryam could do it in about 15 seconds), if that's what you decide.
This is not a technical problem but a political decision.

SO: This is a very useful information. So there is no timing issue in doing the right thing here.
Regards

Tapani

On Nov 23 12:56, William Drake (william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>) wrote:

> Hi Ed
>
> > On Nov 23, 2015, at 12:10 AM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net<mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So rather than the 4-2-1 voting proportions used for NCSG  elections, NCUC elections are run using a 2-1-1 vote weighing system. In practical terms the NCUC Bylaws give more power to individual members, the NCSG Charter to large organisations.
> >
> > I do hope the tabulation software will be programmed to accurately reflect the NCUC Bylaws. We have several contested elections with some fine candidates and in fairness to them it would be good to use the vote weighing system contained in our Bylaws and not that of our SG.
> >
>
> This puzzled me so I checked with Glen and Maryam as well as the 2013 and 2014 final vote tallies I have saved on my computer.  As far as we can see, what we’ve done for some years now is follow the NCSG Charter's vote weighting rather than the NCUC Bylaws' weighting, which was defined prior the SG's formation. You were on the NCUC EC when we did this in the 2013 election and I don’t recall it being an issue.  There’s obviously an argument for having harmonization with the later and technically higher level model, no?  Why should we change direction at this point?
>
> Unfortunately, Tapani (king of the data base) is off line today, so maybe we’ll hold off a day on sending out ballots until we can hear from him.  I’m about to get off a bouncy train in Zurich where I teach for four hours, and in any event have never touched the data base, so I’d rather make sure that our understanding fits with his.
>
> Best
>
> Bill
>
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