[NCUC-DISCUSS] New gTLD program auctions

Wed Dec 18 02:44:42 CET 2013

I though it was encompassed on rules... Then when do you think would be the
appropriate moment for discussion? There will be a specific consultation
for that?
Thanks
M

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Marilia,
>
> the comment period is about how auctions should be conducted and rules but
> I dont think that is about the usage of the funds
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2013/12/18 Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
>
>> The comment period about the topic opened today and goes until January
>> 14th:
>> http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/new-gtld-auction-rules-17dec13-en.htm
>>
>> Marília
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Gosh, the latest 6 messages have just arrived all together at once...
>>> Sorry for the lag in the conversation. I agree with Adam about involving
>>> regions. What would be the best way to reach them? Is there a procedure for
>>> that, like a joint GNSO/ALAC PDP? Or should we make bridges with the
>>> regional strategic discussions, as suggested by Adam? Or both? Sorry for
>>> the many questions, still on the learning curve here.
>>> Cheers
>>> Marília
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Adam,
>>>>
>>>> Having the regional strategies involved in the discussion of allocation
>>>> of revenues from the auctions to regional gTLD applicants is not a bad idea
>>>> at all. The folks participating in these strategies should have more
>>>> insight in their regional barriers to entering what has been called the
>>>> “Domain Name Industry” than others, and could probably make their cases
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> I am not personally especially happy with the progress made by the
>>>> Middle East Strategy Working Group, but the effort being made there is
>>>> sincere. For my part, I will bring up your suggestion there. I am not sure
>>>> how it’ll work out though, since (if I’m not mistaken) the strategy is
>>>> mandated to achieve its objectives within another two years. I don’t know
>>>> if there will be a new round of gTLD applications by then. Still…, worth
>>>> bringing up.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> Amr
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Adam Peake <ajp at GLOCOM.AC.JP> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > So there'll be a PDP?  Again, shouldn't something like this be
>>>> coordinated across ICANN, part of the organization's strategic objectives?
>>>>  If talking about a further tld program and developing countries, doesn't
>>>> it make more sense to work that up through the African/LAC/AP regional
>>>> strategies?  If thinking how auction and 'windfall' type funds can be used,
>>>> again if the focus is development then let the regions work it out.
>>>> >
>>>> > Adam
>>>> >
>>>> > On Dec 3, 2013, at 8:36 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hi Tracy,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thank you for this update. Interesting to see GAC members trying new
>>>> approaches to work on advices. Was there any discussion on how GAC
>>>> participate early in the stage of PDP ?
>>>> >> For JAS, I remember as co-chair of the WG in that time to approach
>>>> GAC members to join us and we didn't fully succeed (I recall that you
>>>> joined us and participated in calls). But we could find support on GAC
>>>> communique later .
>>>> >>
>>>> >> regarding the input, did the GAC discuss on how to get it? are you
>>>> going to follow the model of public comment period and let the community
>>>> comment your deliverables?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rafik
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2013/12/3 Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google <tracyhackshaw at gmail.com>
>>>> >> On a related note, the GAC has, as per its BA Communique, formally
>>>> established a Working Group to examine (future) new gTLD issues ... one of
>>>> which is Applicant Support and Developing Economies'
>>>> (involvement/participation). A large percentage of the foundational input
>>>> into this Working Group is based on an assessment of the implementation of
>>>> the JAS Working Group recommendations as well as an assessment of the
>>>> effectiveness of the final version of the Applicant Support Program.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> An initial position on the issue with the potential, based on wider
>>>> GAC discussion, to move forward to formal GAC Advice is due in Singapore.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am certain that the inputs of the NCUC, among others, on this
>>>> topic, will be VERY welcomed and immediately considered by the Working
>>>> Group.
>>>> >> ------
>>>> >> Rgds,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Tracy
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Dec 2, 2013 11:58 PM, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Hi Marilia,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> regarding auctions, one of the proposal (mentioned again in Ba
>>>> meeting by Avri) was to create an ICANN Foundation to manage those funds
>>>> coming from auctions. That was suggested in the final report (
>>>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/22970578/Final_Report_JASWG+%28Sept+2011%29_Seth+created_Submitted.pdf)
>>>> made by the joiny working on new gTLD applicant support or JAS and the
>>>> board didn't pick-up that recommendation in that time .
>>>> >>
>>>> >> it is also possible to add other existing funds not related to new
>>>> gTLD program per se.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Another option can be to support applicants from developing
>>>> countries in second round of the new gTLD program (I would prefer those not
>>>> having commercial interests to be supported) and working to make it more
>>>> open and inclusive. Unfortunately, the applicant support was implemented
>>>> too late for the first round in Jan 2012.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> as Amr said, public interest can be broad and having several
>>>> interpretations, we can see that on GAC advices to request content policy
>>>> via TLD. However, for applicant support, we also found support from the GAC
>>>> to the recommendation made by the WG.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rafik
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2013/12/3 Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
>>>> >> Hi Amr! I have no particular attachment to this expression, we can
>>>> use whatever suits our discussion. Or we can avoid definitions and focus on
>>>> concrete proposals of what to do with the revenues that would benefit the
>>>> wider community. My point was just that revenues should not be entreasured
>>>> by ICANN or be appropriated by private actors in the chain, but put to good
>>>> use. What are the areas under ICANN's mandate in which additional resources
>>>> could benefit non-commercial interests? Foster development of the Internet?
>>>> That is what I am mulling over and would love to have company :)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Marília
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Hi Marilia,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I share your interest in this process and its outcome, however like
>>>> you, am not as informed on it as I would like to be. Reading up on this is
>>>> on my “to do” list, but I do have one observation:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I personally have a problem with the term “public interest”. I do
>>>> not believe there is a standard or agreed upon definition of the term. It
>>>> is largely subjective as far as I can tell. If you ask a lawyer active in
>>>> civil society work in Brazil what the public interest is, I doubt you will
>>>> get the same response if you ask a state-security officer in Egypt (for
>>>> example). Forgive me if I’m a bit touchy with the term. I’ve had some
>>>> unpleasant experience with it in the past.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If there has been a discussion on this list about the auctions, I
>>>> have missed it. If NCUC does have a position or would like to adopt one, I
>>>> hope we can agree on specific proposals on what we believe should be done
>>>> with auction revenues, and not use abstract terms like “pubic interest”.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Just a few thoughts, and as always, I am agreeable to being
>>>> corrected.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Amr
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Dec 2, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Dear all,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I am trying to understand better the new gTLD program auctions and,
>>>> more specifically, to understand what are the feasible options to invest
>>>> the revenue in a way that is public interest oriented and maybe development
>>>> oriented as well.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Has NCUC reached a common position about the auctions? If not, I
>>>> would like to join others who would be interested to focus on that. I am
>>>> sorry if this topic has already been discussed on the list before I join.
>>>> If so, I will search the archives.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It is my understanding that a proposal from civil society with a
>>>> public interest orientation could be supported by some govts as well.
>>>> Actually, some have been looking for inputs on this matter.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thanks in advance for any information you can share about this.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Marília
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>> Marília Maciel
>>>> >>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>>>> >>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Researcher and Coordinator
>>>> >>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>>>> >>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> DiploFoundation associate
>>>> >>> www.diplomacy.edu
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>>>> >>
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>>>> >> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
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>>> *Marília Maciel*
>>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>>
>>> Researcher and Coordinator
>>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>
>>> DiploFoundation associate
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>> *Marília Maciel*
>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>
>> Researcher and Coordinator
>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
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*Marília Maciel*
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Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio

Researcher and Coordinator
Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts

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