knitters needle

[Carlos A. Afonso]

Regarding Carson's unprofessional overreaction to a list thread -- which
involved a legitimate criticism of objectionable practices by the IOC
--, I see discussion lists as conversations, not as ritual engagements.
Just in case, I recall the link which motivated this discussion:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/7212016/Stitch-up-for-Olympic-knitters

--c.a.

On 07/03/2012 07:23 PM, Tamir Israel wrote:
> Speaking as someone who does not regularly comment here (but does regularly 
> follow discussions), I just wanted to say that I personally find discussions 
> here neither 'spammy' nor 'unprofessional'.
> 
> I think it is perfectly acceptable for a group whose mandate is to represent 
> non-commercial interests to discuss what is arguably at least an incident of 
> misuse (or at the least over-reaching use) of trademark. The term 'bully' is 
> not, in my opinion, used lightly or frivolously in this context.
> 
> Putting aside the actual legal merits of USOC's actual claim here for a second 
> and focusing on IP bullying more broadly as a commercial interest, we're 
> discussing scenarios where one party makes claims that are dubious on legal 
> grounds, but has succeeded purely on the basis that the threatened party lacks 
> the resources (or commercial motivation) to fight in court. While the knitting 
> scenario in particular did not involve the use of a domain name, this is 
> certainly a salient issue to ICANN and central to the UDRP, etc., so I'm not 
> sure how such discussions are out of place here.
> 
> FYI -- I do find this list generates a lot of traffic. For what it's worth, I 
> personally use a custom filter that diverts all into one folder and check in 
> periodically so it does not interfere with my review of day to day emails. I've 
> done this for many lists I'm on, and it only takes a minute or two to set up.
> 
> Best,
> Tamir
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Tamir Israel
> Staff Lawyer
> 
> Samuelson-Glushko Canadian Internet Policy & Public Interest Clinic
> University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law, CML Section
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On 7/3/2012 5:53 PM, Michael Carson wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Milton for your email.  One of the problems that I have with comments 
>> on this listserv is that a large number of them tend to be directed at 
>> corporations/companies (in this case, brand bullies as you call them).  Yet 
>> individuals within the ICANN community (especially those will long ties and 
>> history) "appear" to collectively bully - in the name of protecting the 
>> Internet space - those (corporations/companies/brands) they disagree with.  
>> There's only a small group of individuals who regularly comment on the NCSG 
>> listserv.  Do their opinions represent the majority?
>>
>> As you know the NSCG is comprised of individuals and in the YMCA's case an NFP 
>> who happens to have brand.  While the NCUC and NPOC serve different interests, 
>> the "common" interests should be for all voices to be heard, included and 
>> valued with respect to Internet matters.
>>
>> DeeDee, constructive criticism and robust discussions are important and 
>> necessary.  Immature comments are not professional; that's what I meant by 
>> unprofessional.
>>
>> Enough said by me, I'm on vacation and seek to enjoy the rest of it.  Have a 
>> wonderful holiday.  Regards,
>>
>> Michael Carson
>>
>> YMCA of the USA
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From: *"Milton L Mueller" <mueller at SYR.EDU>
>> *To: *NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 3, 2012 4:18:59 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: knitters needle
>>
>> I agree with DeeDee. The issue of brand-bullying by the Olympic committee is 
>> highly relevant to domain name policy. While some of the banter about knitting 
>> needles on airplanes might have been orthogonal to the main point, this will 
>> happen on any list that is actually alive.
>>
>> *From:*NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] *On Behalf Of 
>> *DeeDee Halleck
>>
>> The discussion of the knitters is not wasteful, though it is amusing!  It is 
>> information that indicates the monopolistic commercial aggression of the 
>> Olympic Committee which should never get special privileges from ICANN or 
>> anybody!
>>
>