NCSG Progress?

[Alain Berranger]

Dear Avri,

Guidance will be just fine!
Thanks

Alain

On Wednesday, July 4, 2012, Avri Doria wrote:

> Dear Alain,
>
> Just one point on your note:
>
> > I look to your continued guidance and oversight in that matter.
>
> While I am rarely shy about offering my opinion and am comfortable when
> people ask for guidance, I do not think  there is anything in this world
> for which I currently have oversight.
>
> thanks for the thoughts,
> avri
>
>
> On 4 Jul 2012, at 13:14, Alain Berranger wrote:
>
> > Dear Avri,
> >
> > Thks, I really appreciate you sharing the history and the background...
> As to the rudimentary and boring nature of npoc-voice, I pretty much
> agree...  We have a community to build as we shift into a second generation
> of members and drivers... For occasional entertainment we go to
> NCSG-Discuss!
> >
> > I love how you manoeuvre between communities,  affinity groups and
> friends!
> >
> > NCSG EC has now received a full account of pending and new NPOC
> membership applications. I will soon call for their approval. That will be
> an important step forward for both NPOC and NCSG. I look to your continued
> guidance and oversight in that matter.
> >
> > Cheers, Alain
> >
> > On Wednesday, July 4, 2012, Avri Doria wrote:
> > Dear Alain,
> >
> > I did not, and do not, argue for  an NCUC list or for the NCSG Discuss
> list to be used only for business.
> >
> > What I argue for is a NCSG news only list for those who find the NCSG
> Discuss list's hurly burly a bit off-putting.  Unlike some of my colleagues
> I do not beleive we need to force people into the open marketplace of ideas
> with all of its quirks and discomforts.  I beleive participation in the
> NCSG DIscuss list should be voluntary.  And, therefore, beleive we need
> another list the NCSG Chair and GNSO Secretariat can use for required
> notifications.
> >
> > Personally I think NCSG Discuss is a great list, and the more people
> that say something, the happier I am.
> >
> > I am ambivalent about NCUC and NPOC discuss lists being separate. I
> periodically check out the NPOC list, and I have not felt envy at NCUC not
> having such a list.
> >
> > As for the dotgay LLC party, it wasn't that I invited NCUC and NPOC, it
> was that I invited a few friends. And they spread the word to others -
> nothing to do with constituencies or SGs.  In fact most of the gatherings
> at ICANN are just groups of friends aggregating.  I have noticed that NPOC
> members do seem to have a affinity group mostly centered around the IPC and
> others.  I am happy for you all, we all need affinity groups to belong to.
>  Had I noticed people being all alone and forlorn, I am sure my caretaker
> instincts would have kicked in and I would have tried to include them in
> some activities.  I just don't see that; since the beginning of NPOC, its
> members have always seemed to have good relationship with various groups in
> CSG, so I never really worried about it.  If anything I might have been
> somewhat envious of that, as CSG has never reached out to the NCUC in that
> manner.  I think in all my years at ICANN, even the 5 years when I was a
> nomcom appointee, before I committed the sin of joining the NCUC  (well
> documented in the archives of the g-council), I have never once been
> invited to an IPC event.  I guess we just hang with different groups.
> >
> > Not that I am NCUC or NCSG social secretary, in fact that is a role I
> would be terrible at.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > On 4 Jul 2012, at 02:34, Alain Berranger wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Avri,
> > >
> > > It is clear to me too that NCUC/pre NPOC NCSG is a community of some
> kind - I just don't quite grasp its essence yet, but what is sure is that I
> don't yet feel part of it.
> > >
> > >  Looking back to Prague, at no times were any of the 5 NPOC members
> there made to feel full members of that community. For instance, at your
> own dot gay event at the sky bar, all NCUC members present were invited,
> but not a single NPOC member was invited. When NCSG EC had informal
> gatherings, never once were NPOC members included. That said, NPOC members
> there did not lack social interaction with other Constituencies.
> > >
> > > Yes Avri, you and I agree on the need for an NCUC email list for the
> NCUC community.. Keeping NCSG list for building the new NCSG community made
> out of both NCUC and NPOC members.
> > >
> > > Alain
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, July 3, 2012, Avri Doria wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear that.
> > > It is part of what makes us a community instead of just a SG.
> > >
> > > Would have enjoyed hearing your voice as well.
> > > Though I guess I just did.
> > >
> > > BTW:  I still think we need an announce list of the news and only the
> news for those members whole don't like all the touchy feely group, aka
> unprofessional, participation.  I would like the NCSG EC to reconsider its
> decision from last year not to create such a list.
> > >
> > > avri
> > >
> > > On 3 Jul 2012, at 11:13, Michael Carson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
>


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Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
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