NCSG Progress?

Wed Jul 4 19:14:56 CEST 2012

Dear Avri,

Thks, I really appreciate you sharing the history and the background... As
to the rudimentary and boring nature of npoc-voice, I pretty much agree...
 We have a community to build as we shift into a second generation of
members and drivers... For occasional entertainment we go to NCSG-Discuss!

I love how you manoeuvre between communities,  affinity groups and friends!

NCSG EC has now received a full account of pending and new NPOC membership
applications. I will soon call for their approval. That will be an
important step forward for both NPOC and NCSG. I look to your continued
guidance and oversight in that matter.

Cheers, Alain

On Wednesday, July 4, 2012, Avri Doria wrote:

> Dear Alain,
>
> I did not, and do not, argue for  an NCUC list or for the NCSG Discuss
> list to be used only for business.
>
> What I argue for is a NCSG news only list for those who find the NCSG
> Discuss list's hurly burly a bit off-putting.  Unlike some of my colleagues
> I do not beleive we need to force people into the open marketplace of ideas
> with all of its quirks and discomforts.  I beleive participation in the
> NCSG DIscuss list should be voluntary.  And, therefore, beleive we need
> another list the NCSG Chair and GNSO Secretariat can use for required
> notifications.
>
> Personally I think NCSG Discuss is a great list, and the more people that
> say something, the happier I am.
>
> I am ambivalent about NCUC and NPOC discuss lists being separate. I
> periodically check out the NPOC list, and I have not felt envy at NCUC not
> having such a list.
>
> As for the dotgay LLC party, it wasn't that I invited NCUC and NPOC, it
> was that I invited a few friends. And they spread the word to others -
> nothing to do with constituencies or SGs.  In fact most of the gatherings
> at ICANN are just groups of friends aggregating.  I have noticed that NPOC
> members do seem to have a affinity group mostly centered around the IPC and
> others.  I am happy for you all, we all need affinity groups to belong to.
>  Had I noticed people being all alone and forlorn, I am sure my caretaker
> instincts would have kicked in and I would have tried to include them in
> some activities.  I just don't see that; since the beginning of NPOC, its
> members have always seemed to have good relationship with various groups in
> CSG, so I never really worried about it.  If anything I might have been
> somewhat envious of that, as CSG has never reached out to the NCUC in that
> manner.  I think in all my years at ICANN, even the 5 years when I was a
> nomcom appointee, before I committed the sin of joining the NCUC  (well
> documented in the archives of the g-council), I have never once been
> invited to an IPC event.  I guess we just hang with different groups.
>
> Not that I am NCUC or NCSG social secretary, in fact that is a role I
> would be terrible at.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 4 Jul 2012, at 02:34, Alain Berranger wrote:
>
> > Hi Avri,
> >
> > It is clear to me too that NCUC/pre NPOC NCSG is a community of some
> kind - I just don't quite grasp its essence yet, but what is sure is that I
> don't yet feel part of it.
> >
> >  Looking back to Prague, at no times were any of the 5 NPOC members
> there made to feel full members of that community. For instance, at your
> own dot gay event at the sky bar, all NCUC members present were invited,
> but not a single NPOC member was invited. When NCSG EC had informal
> gatherings, never once were NPOC members included. That said, NPOC members
> there did not lack social interaction with other Constituencies.
> >
> > Yes Avri, you and I agree on the need for an NCUC email list for the
> NCUC community.. Keeping NCSG list for building the new NCSG community made
> out of both NCUC and NPOC members.
> >
> > Alain
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, July 3, 2012, Avri Doria wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sorry to hear that.
> > It is part of what makes us a community instead of just a SG.
> >
> > Would have enjoyed hearing your voice as well.
> > Though I guess I just did.
> >
> > BTW:  I still think we need an announce list of the news and only the
> news for those members whole don't like all the touchy feely group, aka
> unprofessional, participation.  I would like the NCSG EC to reconsider its
> decision from last year not to create such a list.
> >
> > avri
> >
> > On 3 Jul 2012, at 11:13, Michael Carson wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Whoever is in charge of adding/removing email addresses to this
> listserv, I am requesting that my email address be removed.
> > >
> > > This sort of exchange is fruitless, a waste of time and
> unprofessional.  This is not the first time I have received these types of
> email exchanges.
> > >
> > > Again, please remove my email address.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Michael Carson
> > > YMCA of the USA
> > >
> > > From: "Ginger Paque" <gpaque at GMAIL.COM>
> > > To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 9:28:38 AM
> > > Subject: Re: knitters needle
> > >
> > > I have never had my knitting needles taken from me on a flight. I do
> use circular needles, to avoid poking my seatmates, but have never had the
> needles questioned except by other envious knitters who come up to me and
> say: What??? We can carry our knitting needles on the plane?
> > >
> > > I think a knit in is a spectacular idea. I will have a project with me
> in Baku, and can bring extra needles and yarn for those who want to learn
> to knit :)
> > >
> > > Cheers, Ginger
> > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque
> > >
> > > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
> > > Diplo Foundation
> > > Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
> > > www.diplomacy.edu/ig
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3 July 2012 09:48, Andrew A. Adams <aaa at meiji.ac.jp> wrote:
> > > William Drake suggested:
> > > > When the IOC folks were speaking in Prague it'd have been great if a
> > > > bunch of people could have pulled out knitting needles…maybe Toronto?
> > > > Some street theatre is always good for a meeting…
> > >
> > > Nice idea. You'd have to find a local supply (or have someone bring
> hold
> > > baggage to bring in a bunch) though, since AFAIK knitting needles are
> amongst
> > > the terrible deadly weapons currently banned from being taken onto
> planes in
> > > the war on tourism. ICANN meetings are short enough that lots of
> attendees
> > > may well be flying hand luggage only (I know I would be).
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Professor Andrew A Adams                      aaa at meiji.ac.jp
> > > Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration,  and
> > > Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics
> > > Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan       http://www.a-cubed.info/
> >
>

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Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
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