Questions/Options for Protection of IOC/Red Cross Names at Top Level

[Milton L Mueller]

Konstantinos
So glad you were on the call to raise these points. I think the next step has to be to the Greek government to wake up and raise some objections in the GAC. 
Or if that is not possible, then the Council of Europe or other groups on GAC that are _supposed_ to understand international law and rights. 

Note that the point isn't whether a small Greek village is likely to apply for a TLD - the point is that they, and possibly many others within Greece, could make a legitimate claim to do so and that it would be unjust for them to have to seek permission from the IOC

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> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Questions/Options for Protection of IOC/Red
> Cross Names at Top Level
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> A quick update on what happened at last night's call concerning the IOC and
> the Red Cross protections.
> 
> I communicated the position of the NCUC - mainly that an overwhelming
> majority of this group is against any sort of special protections (Option 1) for
> any of these marks, despite the fact that many members felt more
> sympathetic towards the Red Cross rather than the IOC. As expected, we
> were the only group that went for that option and there was a lot of
> discussion about that. I raised the point of the precedent this would set, a
> point that was shared by the Registry SG, only they felt that the GAC letter
> made it clear that no such precedent would be set. I disagreed. Both the IOC
> and the Red Cross have appeared to be pushing for Jeff's option number 3 -
> what Jeff termed as 'modified reserved names' ,which essentially means to
> elevate these two marks (and their variations) to the status that currently is
> enjoyed by ICANN's reserved names list, i.e the words 'example, 'ICANN' etc.
> 
> It appears that the majority of the group will try to work out language for this
> option 3 and also push for more languages to be included in the list of the
> existing 8 languages that the AG currently suggests. and, also they would like
> to see this kind of protection extending beyond this round.
> 
> So, where are we right now? no decision has been taken of course, but
> NCUC is the only group totally against this kind of protection. Alan Greenberg
> was there as well and he stated that the ALAC position has not managed to
> reach a consensus but he sounded as if he was also going for option 3. (not
> sure if he was speaking on behalf of ALAC or in his personal capacity)
> 
> For me option 3 is really problematic and needs to be watered down
> significantly. Option 3 means, for instance, that if the Greek Government
> wished to apply for .Olympiad (the location where it all started - the
> Olympics) they will have to get permission from the IOC. This is a point I
> raised and Gregory S. Shatan, who is with the IPC said that he thought it was
> highly unlikely for a small village of 7000 people to apply for a gTLD - a point
> which pissed me off so I engaged in a quick history lesson about the Olympic
> games and where they were originally born :)
> 
> The other issue that was discussed was whether the recommendations of
> this group would have to be reviewed. This was a point that Alan,  the IOC,
> the Red Cross and some others found to be quite burdensome and
> bureaucratic. However, I made very clear that this group is asked to come up
> with interpretations of international law and create 'new rules' - and
> mistakes are inevitable. So, the discussion was left that it would be ideal if a
> review were to be conducted but this should not be mandatory. Again, I
> disagreed and I will insist on making it mandatory, just like we made it
> mandatory for the URS to be reviewed after a year.
> 
> I would like this group to start thinking of other options rather than rejecting
> these protections. With or without NCUC, I think the group will come up with
> some recommendations. I know that we don't agree (and certainly I believe
> that this whole issue is going to backfire and neither of these entities should
> get special protection on the basis that there is no solid argument for this
> kind of protection) but I also think we need to engage if we wish to water
> down any of the proposals that come out of this group.
> 
> Looking forward for your input on this.
> 
> KK
> 
> 
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> 
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> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Questions/Options for Protection of IOC/Red
> Cross Names at Top Level
> 
> This has been a great discussion and thank you all for your contributions.
> Great points have been raised by all of you and, in particular, I think that the
> most crucial one is the kind of precedent this whole process will set, both
> from an institutional and substantive point of view. Both issues have been
> raised by myself and others, but the majority doesn't seem to think this as a
> problem either due to the fact that they are focused on this issue alone or
> because they don't see the GAC involvement as a 'tangible' threat to
> multistakeholder governance.
> 
> I will convey that the majority (NCUC) of this group is against any special
> treatment - my fear is, that we - NCUC - will be the only group going towards
> this. So, the question becomes: if consensus is achieved towards some sort
> of protection (which I suspect it will), do we engage in trying to water down
> these protections or not?
> 
> @Evan: I think NCUC (and certainly myself) would like to see an ALAC and
> NCUC collaboration on this front. I think that a joint statement might be of
> value to begin with and we can put this as an agenda item when we meet in
> Costa Rica.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> KK
> 
> From: Dan Krimm
> <dan at MUSICUNBOUND.COM<mailto:dan at MUSICUNBOUND.COM>>
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> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Questions/Options for Protection of IOC/Red
> Cross Names at Top Level
> 
> At 9:38 AM +0100 2/4/12, William Drake wrote:
> 
> So returning to KK's original message, I am for  Option 1: Recommend no
> changes to Guidebook and reject GAC Proposal, with an objection on process
> and precedent grounds complimenting the substantive case.
> 
> I've not been counting, but this seems consistent with a clear majority of
> views expressed here to date.
> 
> On Feb 3, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> 
> If there is interest in joint NC / AtLarge pushback I'll certainly help advance
> the idea.
> 
> 
> My guess is that NCUC would be willing to pursue this.  Anyone disagree?
> 
> 
> I concur with both of these.
> 
> Dan
> 
> PS:  Is it worth expressing a "second choice" in the case that Option 1 is
> rejected by the policy group?  Anybody for full ranked-choice voting here?
> 
> Not to confuse things...  ;-)
> 
> 
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