AW: [NCSG-Discuss] Draft comment on Cyber-Cafe constituency application for approval

Sat Dec 1 23:01:33 CET 2012

Sorry, I missed mentioning the support from another NPOC member - Andrei
Barburas from IICD, The Hague.

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Alain Berranger
<alain.berranger at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sorry for belated response, Maria:
>
> Given the very reasonable time that NPOC members have now had and the
> support for that statement by Olévié (from Togo, Afrique de l'Ouest) where
> telecentres and cyber cafés are very important for many underserviced
> communities) and myself, with the rest of the NPOC Constituency having
> remained silent (which I consider tacit approval on a non-objection basis),
> I can comfortably say that NPOC supports Maria's statement.
>
> Best, Alain
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> +1 from me.
>>
>> Alain - can you bring along the rest of your constituency in time for the
>> deadline or add your support post hoc?
>>
>> Maria
>>
>>
>> On 18 November 2012 10:01, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <
>> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> wolfgang
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> Von: William Drake [mailto:william.drake at UZH.CH]
>>> Gesendet: So 18.11.2012 10:20
>>> An: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>> Betreff: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Draft comment on Cyber-Cafe constituency
>>> application for approval
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> + 1
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Nov 17, 2012, at 20:35, Wendy Seltzer <wendy at SELTZER.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Thanks Mary,
>>> > I'd support this individually, and like the approach of a joint
>>> > NCUC/NPOC comment (or later endorsement, depending on timing).
>>> >
>>> > --Wendy
>>> >
>>> > On 11/17/2012 11:53 AM, Maria Farrell wrote:
>>> >> Does it make sense, then, to submit the piece as a joint ncuc/npoc
>>> comment,
>>> >> and not an ncsg one?
>>> >>
>>> >> I'd support that, as an ncuc member.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 17 November 2012 15:39, Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi Mary,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks a lot for an excellent statement.
>>> >>> On a personal basis, I agree with much of the spirit of your proposed
>>> >>> comment and take the opportunity to run it by NPOC-voice to solicit
>>> an NPOC
>>> >>> wide view. However, as Avri points out, the NCSG-EC has to decide on
>>> a
>>> >>> recommendation to the Board as per the timeline Robin indicated. So,
>>> it
>>> >>> seems inappropriate for NCSG-EC to make a public comment at this
>>> early
>>> >>> stage such as the one you suggest or any other one for that matter,
>>> as it
>>> >>> would essentially have the effect of making a decision regarding the
>>> >>> application during the public comment period.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There are 2 points I would like to raise:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 1) telecentres for social purposes, usually located in schools,
>>> clinics,
>>> >>> community centers, remote villages, etc... - for instance see
>>> >>> http://www.telecentre.org/ for a look inside the Telecentre
>>> movement -
>>> >>> are non-commercial public access Internet points (PIAPs) while
>>> cybercafés
>>> >>> are essentially commercial, even if located in very poor and under
>>> serviced
>>> >>> areas, because they are mostly entrepreneurial in their
>>> organization, with
>>> >>> a livelihood or profit making purpose. The former could be housed in
>>> NCSG
>>> >>> (as Members) while the latter could be welcomed into CSG.
>>> >>> 2) we should distinguish between the proponent and it's adequacy to
>>> be the
>>> >>> leader of the creation of a new constituency and the need for a new
>>> >>> constituency. If it is confirmed that there is a need for some kind
>>> of a
>>> >>> new constituency, then NCSG-EC has to also decide on it's
>>> recommendation
>>> >>> regarding if  the proponent is likely to adequately lead the
>>> creation of
>>> >>> that new constituency.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I hope this helps! Alain
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Saturday, November 17, 2012, wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Hello everyone,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Since today is the last day for public comment on the proposed new
>>> >>>> cybercafe constituency and nothing has been sent in, I took the
>>> liberty of
>>> >>>> composing something brief that I hope members can approve. I've
>>> done so as
>>> >>>> many members have expressed firm opinions about this issue, and it
>>> is
>>> >>>> important that NCSG sends in a comment, especially since the group
>>> is
>>> >>>> applying to join NCSG.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The proposed comment follow; if there is no objection by the end of
>>> the
>>> >>>> day, I propose to file it on behalf of NCSG. Thanks everyone!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> "The Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) is pleased to see that
>>> >>>> there is increased interest from developing regions in ICANN
>>> participation.
>>> >>>> Having long been the most-diverse (geographically and ethnically)
>>> >>>> stakeholder group within not just the GNSO but ICANN as well, we
>>> have
>>> >>>> always made outreach, accessibility and engagement part of our
>>> mission and
>>> >>>> have as a result welcomed numerous new individual and organizational
>>> >>>> members from across the globe into our membership, including
>>> through the
>>> >>>> GNSO's newest constituency, the Not for Profit Operational Concerns
>>> (NPOC)
>>> >>>> constituency.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> There is consensus in the NCSG - from both NPOC and Non-Commerciaul
>>> >>>> Users Constituency (NCUC) members - that the new CCAOI application
>>> for
>>> >>>> constituency status belongs not in the NCSG but in the Commercial
>>> >>>> Stakeholders Group (CSG). We have carefully reviewed all the
>>> documents and
>>> >>>> information provided in the CCAOI's application, and believe that
>>> it is a
>>> >>>> commercial organization whose operations do not fit within NCSG's
>>> formal
>>> >>>> charter or objectives.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The CCAOI's stated reason for applying to join NCSG is that it is a
>>> >>>> non-profit organization which among its activities promotes public
>>> interest
>>> >>>> goals of education and access. While non-profit organizations are
>>> members
>>> >>>> of NCSG's NPOC constituency, NPOC members must first and continue
>>> to be
>>> >>>> NCSG members as well, i.e., remain resolutely non-commercial in
>>> their
>>> >>>> focus. The fact that individual cybercafes within the wider CCAOI
>>> >>>> organization may not charge fees to their users does not by itself
>>> make
>>> >>>> either these cybercafes or the CCAOI itself a non-commercial
>>> organization.
>>> >>>> Rather, we note from its application that its members include also
>>> >>>> "e-commerce service providers", "Internet solution providers" and
>>> >>>> entrepreneurs, and its plans include the use of a mobile payment
>>> platform
>>> >>>> to alleviate the problem of low credit card usage and cash safety.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> We therefore believe that the proper place within the current GNSO
>>> >>>> framework for CCAOI is the CSG. The fact that the CSG's rigid
>>> constituency
>>> >>>> structures may mean that CCAOI could potentially belong to either
>>> the
>>> >>>> Internet Service Providers (ISP) constituency or the Business
>>> Constituency
>>> >>>> (BC), or that either of these groups may need to modify its charter
>>> to
>>> >>>> allow a commercial organization of CCAOI's nature to apply, is not
>>> NCSG'
>>> >>>> concern or issue. Similarly, if the GNSO's own structure requires
>>> change in
>>> >>>> order to accommodate a diverse organization such as CCAOI, it is
>>> not a
>>> >>>> solution to just put them in the NCSG simply because we are the most
>>> >>>> flexible and open GNSO stakeholder group. These limitations are
>>> problems
>>> >>>> that are neither the fault of CCAOI or NCSG, and should if
>>> necessary be
>>> >>>> addressed by the GNSO as a whole and perhaps also the ICANN Board's
>>> own
>>> >>>> Structural Improvements Committee (SIC), who had worked with the
>>> fledgling
>>> >>>> NCSG to develop a charter that reflected non-commercial values and
>>> >>>> interests.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Should this not be feasible, NCSG believes that those members and
>>> >>>> elements of CCAOI that are purely non-commercial could individually
>>> join
>>> >>>> NCSG. As a representative organization that has clearly commercial
>>> sources
>>> >>>> of funding and for-profit members, however, CCAOI as it is currently
>>> >>>> constituted clearly does not belong within NCSG.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Respectfully submitted,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group"
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Mary W S Wong
>>> >>>> Professor of Law
>>> >>>> Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
>>> >>>> Chair, Graduate IP Programs
>>> >>>> UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
>>> >>>> Two White Street
>>> >>>> Concord, NH 03301
>>> >>>> USA
>>> >>>> Email: mary.wong at law.unh.edu
>>> >>>> Phone: 1-603-513-5143
>>> >>>> Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php
>>> >>>> Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network
>>> (SSRN)
>>> >>>> at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
>>> >>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca <
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