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[Joly MacFie]

I think you are missing Judy's point. She is saying she wishes to stay
involved and informed, without the debates. A well curated announce list is
the only solution. Working in harmony with the confluence as a reference.

Avris's further point is this is as true for NCSG as it is for NCUC.

If furthermore NCUC needs to "get a room" to hash out internal discussions,
so be it. IMO it's not a question of if but when.

j



On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:13 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:

> Hi
>
> It seems we're talking about several different rationales/models for the
> possible creation of an NCUC listserv, each of which has different
> implications.
>
> One, which appeals to me, would be a list for discussing any purely
> internal process stuff.  So discussions (and the occasional disagreements)
> about how the constituency organizes its affairs, e.g. elections, filling
> slots on SG bodies or GNSO working groups, and so on, as well as any
> announcements from the constituency leadership, would go to this list.
>  Discussions of substantive issues related to GNSO or Internet governance
> more generally would remain on the SG list, since these really should be of
> interest to both constituencies' members.
>
> A second, which Avri and Joly are suggesting, would be a list solely for
> announcements and administrative messages from the constituency leadership.
>  Personally, I'm not sure I see how much this would help, since a) it's not
> obvious that there's going to be a need for so many such one-way messages
> to justify a separate list, and b) this would not address the sort of
> complaints made by Alain about messages pertaining to NCUC laundry, dirty
> or otherwise.
>
> A third, which if I understand her correctly Judy Branzelle is suggesting,
> would be a list that hosts the bulk of discussions both substantive and
> process, on the grounds that there's just too much mail to read.  This I
> have even more difficulty with than the second.  While I can understand
> NPOC members not wanting to read NCUC internal process debates (any more
> than NCUC members want to read NPOC internal process debates), now that the
> chartering and reorganization are done, most of our traffic should normally
> be on substantive issues, as it was before we had to deal with the
> institutional tumult. I would think that anyone who's made the commitment
> to get involved in GNSO/ICANN, or at least to keep an eye on developments
> therein even if they can't consistently participate, should want to be
> connected to the substantive discussions.  Moving these into an NCUC-only
> space would impede collective awareness of the issues and make coordination
> on them more difficult.  A rump SG list that doesn't host these probably
> would have relatively little traffic or value.
>
> Just my view. What do others think?
>
> Bill
>
> On Nov 22, 2011, at 12:26 AM, Joly MacFie wrote:
>
> I'd say yes to both.
>
> j
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The other possibility, it the NCSG leadership is willing to countenance
>> another list, which in the past they weren't, they could establish a NCSG
>> announce list that our leaders could us for informational and transparency
>> purposes.
>>
>> Or maybe there could be both a NCSG and a NCUC announce-only list for our
>> leaders to use for announcements and transparency when they are acting in
>> the best interests of the membership of the respective organizations.
>>
>> avri
>>
>> On 17 Nov 2011, at 15:00, Joly MacFie wrote:
>>
>> > My 2c.
>> >
>> > I believe there should at least be a NCUC-MEMBERS (or suitable
>> equivalent) list, announce-only, for announcements and admin - then people
>> who might otherwise be ignoring the general to-and-fro of NCSG-discuss can
>> set their filters so as to get important notices.
>> >
>> > j
>> >
>> >
>> >
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