discussion on xxx domain? [ncsg-policy] Draft NCSG comments to GNSO Council on Rec 6

[Dwi Elfrida Martina S]

Hi meda,


yes.,. I agree with you for this opinion. the same with nicholas said
before. I support this.



Regards,


Dwi



Dear Dwi,
>
>
> Many aspects of Internet Governance do not lie within the mission of
> ICANN.
>
> For instance, ICANN is not responsible for content on the Internet.
>
> Protecting our children from websites containing offensive or harmful
> content
>
> is a concern for all of society. Issues of content, though, are not within
> ICANN’s charter and have nothing to do with the interconnectivity of
> single
> global Internet.
>
> Propose for controlling content through special top-level domains!?
>
> But the laws defining what constitutes harmful or offensive content vary
> from
>
> country to country, and even within a country or a culture.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Dwi Elfrida Martina S <
> dwi.elfrida at depkominfo.go.id> wrote:
>
>> Dear Caroline,
>>
>> I am totally agree with you. as woman I feel that my my identity, my
>> pride, my price decrease to the lowest level, when I saw another woman
>> explore their sexuality in internet.sometimes I feel that woman in the
>> porn site is not different with animal, even animal can do better than
>> human, animal still keep their sex activity in good order, keep it as
>> intimacy and private right and never explore it through internet.
>>
>> nevertheless, when I say that I'll support .xxx as legal TLD for porn
>> site, because I think it will be used as central for porn sites,so
>> easier
>> to control dissemination of pornography through internet.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Dwi
>>
>>
>> > Dear Nuno,
>> >
>> >
>> > Maybe not, but I do think your views that one should not take a moral
>> > stand on pornography or anything else are-
>> >
>> > and you in all honesty allude to that-  tainted by who you are, and
>> > probably by the fact you're a man.
>> >
>> >
>> > You don't feel it in your guts like I may, as a woman, that it
>> > actually is a violation of the bill of rights the way women ( AND MEN
>> > actually!)
>> >
>> > are treated and portrayed in pornographic material and the impact
>> > such material has on those viewing it,
>> >
>> > especially those with psychological difficulties, not to mention kids!
>> >
>> >
>> > At some point, not seeing it as a problem that this material is
>> > freely accessible to anyone in the name of ' moral neutrality' is
>> > equal to
>> >
>> > endorsing free access to this controversial material.
>> >
>> >  > Pretending domain names do NOT have a moral, political and
>> > sociological impact is akin to digging your head in the sand.
>> >
>> >  > Pretending education will suffice to offset this unlimited freedom
>> > of publishing online material is naive.
>> >
>> >
>> > Otherwise why not give us all guns to defend ourselves, just in
>> > case,  and just educate us all NOT to use them to kill
>> >
>> > those we dont get along with?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I feel there should be a .xxx extension, and that all porn should be
>> > made to use that and only that, by law,
>> >
>> > just the way this material is not accessible to all in the physical
>> > world.
>> >
>> > Make the techies make that possible, dont let them tell us it's not "
>> > technically feasible" just because they dont care about
>> >
>> > controling access to it.
>> >
>> >
>> > Best'
>> >
>> > Caroline
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Le 14 janv. 11 à 10:49, Nuno Garcia a écrit :
>> >
>> >> I hope that in the end I do not sound like a Hulstler or Playboy
>> >> stockholder or subscriber (I am neither of these), but this is
>> >> really what I believe in, and probably my opinion is relevant for
>> >> the mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> On 14 January 2011 03:00, Dwi Elfrida Martina S
>> >> <dwi.elfrida at depkominfo.go.id> wrote:
>> >> hi rudy,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> (snipped)
>> >>
>> >> I agree with you, there is no country who already TOTALLY success
>> >> to do
>> >> process 'filter'. But, still we have to do our best to place
>> >> "pornography"
>> >> in good order, means there is certain regulation, term & condition.
>> >> so, we
>> >> can protect country from decreasing of morality:)
>> >>
>> >> As I think we have made clear from previous statements, Morality
>> >> (as well as public order) ARE NOT an issue that concerns this
>> >> constituency and these considerations should therefore be left out
>> >> of discussion and encouraged to be left of all the discussions in
>> >> ICANN.
>> >>
>> >> (long parenthesis: I'm sure Dwi was formulating a wish for its own
>> >> country, and it this case, it's perfectly ok to do so. I must
>> >> recall the list that Morality is an extremelly complex issue, much
>> >> more than paedophilia, which is generally defined as crime in most
>> >> western and southern countries, but, in contrast, it is indulged by
>> >> some other countries (e.g. asian), and was not at all a crime
>> >> before 1950 in most of the countries I know. When these issues dig
>> >> deep in our cultural backgrounds and in our religious or belief
>> >> points of view, it is best to rely on the system of values that we
>> >> know is transversal to all Mankind and are best described in the
>> >> Charter for Human Rights, that I think best summarizes the values
>> >> we must guide for. End of long parenthesis.)
>> >>
>> >> In conclusion, and having the Charter for Human Rights as a working
>> >> bench, I say that the arguments for discussing this or that issue
>> >> (but not for the .XXX which is long due), should never be issues on
>> >> liberty, or censorship, let alone competencies or policies for
>> >> governments.
>> >>
>> >> We, as an informed and knowledgeable community, must put forward
>> >> our opinions having in view the larger and greater good of our
>> >> fellow Internet users, oblivious to where they sit in working days
>> >> or in holidays or in Holy days. All of us deserve an Internet that
>> >> _does_ _not_ _limit_ our rights as persons and promotes the values
>> >> engraved in the Charter for Human Rights.
>> >>
>> >> We cannot say much regarding the different civilizational issues of
>> >> different countries. For me, I know that in my country we still
>> >> have a long way to go. But this is my belief, probably some of my
>> >> fellow citizens do not agree with me, and therefore this is not an
>> >> issue to discuss here.
>> >>
>> >> I have the greatest of respects for all cultures, religions and
>> >> civilizations, and I try hard to not let my personal beliefs to
>> >> stand in the way of my professional beliefs, so I expect others to
>> >> do the same.
>> >>
>> >> Of course, I stand perfectly aware that, as Ortega y Gasset once
>> >> said, I am myself and my circumstance, and thus my points of view
>> >> will always be tainted by the fact that I was born and raised here.
>> >>
>> >> So to conclude, for me the purpose of this constituency is not to
>> >> place pornography or capitalism or comunism or _______ (fill in
>> >> with you word of choice) into order.
>> >>
>> >> It is to make sure that we provide ICANN with valueable and wise
>> >> opinions. And we should do our best to do so. For our own good and
>> >> the benefit of all mankind.
>> >>
>> >> I leave you all with two thoughts, one from Ben Franklin who once
>> >> said "He who gives up a liberty to achieve a temporary security
>> >> deserves neither and will loose both" (and there are plenty of
>> >> historical examples of this), and the other, from a greek
>> >> philosopher whose name I cannot remember "the best way to prevent a
>> >> damage to society is to educate the children".
>> >>
>> >> With my personal and sincere excuses if my points of view have
>> >> offended anyone (was not my intention), I wish you all a nice week
>> >> end,
>> >>
>> >> Nuno Garcia
>> >
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