discussion on xxx domain? [ncsg-policy] Draft NCSG comments to GNSO Council on Rec 6

[Nicolas Adam]

Rudi, Dwi,

Thank you both for sharing your perspectives on-list, and please
continue to do so.

Nicolas
> Hi rudi.. nice to know you:)
>
> agree with you opinion. Sometimes I think that indonesia government to
> close all the porn things is like impossible job. it seems like a job to
> check each house whether there is mouse or not. the problem: is all people
> will give permit to government to check their house? can government catch
> all mouse that exist in that house? in fact,there are many mouse hide
> under blanket.:) But, as you are indonesian too, both us agree that all
> about sex is taboo and all government try to do is to protect people,
> specially teenagers, children from all porn files that exist in internet.
> Please keep in mind, 'Internet Sehat" program is made because government
> accepted many objections from indonesia society about how internet
> contents is can't be controlled, indeed become dangerous for Indonesian
> morality and culture. So, need your understanding if we still go on to do
> this program, however to good to be true.
>
> regarding to the recent action of out minister that asked RIM to protect
> their IP from porn sites and files, so all porn thing can't be accessed by
> BB,I am, as officer think this is impossible request too. In fact, RIM
> can't fulfill that request. As I said before, it seems like impossible
> job.
>
> anyway.. good or wrong Indonesia is our country, do all the best that we
> can do to support policies of government, because I believe it is intended
> for good things, at least for the kindness of indonesian morality.
>
> Btw, it is you who success to get iPad from APNIC? if I am not wrong, I
> saw your name. Congratulation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dwi
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> dear folks, dwi and friends:
>> interesting discussions on xxx domain... by the way i am also from
>> indonesia...but from NGO... association of internet cafe...
>> probably sex is view very differently in Indonesia and in global
>> governance community...
>>
>> in indonesia anything to do with sex... just to say sex is almost
>> taboo... not halal... so that the government launch a program internet
>> sehat and filter all sex content... and this week asked BB (blackberry)
>> to install also filter in its server in RIM (Canada) from Indonesian BB
>> users...
>> Actually for us as private sector... this is not an easy task... and
>> probably wont be successful... but it is a nice try to prevent
>> pornography...
>> on the otherhand pornography is also exist in many places in Indonesia..
>> such as SPA, massage parlour... and prostitute site... but the
>> government seems to close their attentions...
>>
>> anyway... back to xxx domain...
>>
>> according to my view... as part of Indonesian civil association...  this
>> is an attempt to localized the sex domain... the same thing as we
>> localize prostitutions... so should be OK... and probably make live
>> easier for filtering content (kids access to internet).
>>
>> whether the site will be used for negative used... child abuse and so
>> on... this is another issue that will be tackle by existing (global)
>> cyberlaw... Indonesia also has now cyberlaw (we called it UU ITE Law no
>> 11/2009 :-) ...that lacks of PP ( or supporting law to implement the
>> cyberlaw...
>>
>> nice discussions and very good input for the global internet
>> governance... regards, rudi rusdiah - apwkomitel ( association of
>> community internet center - jakarta, indonesia).
>>
>> On 01/12/2011 08:04 PM, Dwi Elfrida Martina S wrote:
>>> Hi andrew..
>>>
>>> I am new member of NCSG but not new member in ICANN. I have been 2 years
>>> involve within ICANN and exist in GAC meeting from the fist time GAC
>>> start
>>> to Draft MOPO. I was replace DG of ICT  and Director of e-government of
>>> Ministry of ICT of Indonesia who are representative in GAC.indeed, I am
>>> fellowship of ICANN. So please.. watching your words!
>>>
>>> As I know, from beginning .XXX is site that intended for sex. .xxx is
>>> inspire from .xxx.com that known as site for sex activities. But as they
>>> propose counter to court of USA and make openness and freedom become
>>> their
>>> justification, so the court ask ICANN to review their .xxx proposal.
>>> But,
>>> if you have new issue that .XXX is not site for sex, you have to
>>> announce
>>> that thing to all participant in ICANN meeting, because as I know, from
>>> Cartagena meeting, most of participant still have the same point of view
>>> with me.
>>>
>>> Beside,my question to you, can you guarantee that the content of .XXX is
>>> not site for sex? what kind of and openness and freedom that they asked
>>> for? what is the proof that .XXX as TLD is nothing to do with .XXX.COM?
>>> Yes.. I you are not Policy maker in NCSG, so please don't make any
>>> conclusion before its not an agreement between members.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Dwi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Dwi,
>>>
>>>> Before posting on any topic, I suggest you familiarise yourself with
>>>> the
>>>> current issues by reading through the mailing list archives. There you
>>>> will
>>>> find that the creation of .xxx is settled NCSG policy and the reasoning
>>>> behind it has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with
>>>> openness,
>>>> freedom and the following of existing rules rather than exactly the
>>>> kind
>>>> of
>>>> knee-jerk blinkered moralism that the MAPO proposals represent.
>>>>
>>>> I do not make NCSG policy, but I'm well aware of it, and of the reasons
>>>> for
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> The MAPO issue has also been well-discussed by the existing membership.
>>>> While
>>>> I welcome new members, I do not welcome them making personal attacks on
>>>> the
>>>> basis of not understanding anything about the existing situation when
>>>> they
>>>> join.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Professor Andrew A Adams                      aaa at meiji.ac.jp
>>>> Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration,  and
>>>> Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics
>>>> Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan       http://www.a-cubed.info/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>