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[William Drake]

Hi Avri

On Dec 13, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi Joly,
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Hi Bill, 
> 
> I can tell that my email on liaisons was not well received by you.  My apologies.

I admit that I was surprised you seemed to be going out of your way to say I was doing the liaison job wrong, which seemed especially odd at a moment when the type of engagement you appeared to be advocating is manifestly not in the reverse here.  But I was not offended or whatever.  My reply simply said this why I did x rather than y.  I don't think y would have been well received in ALAC given the difficult history and relationships, whereas x helped a little to calm things down and make further communication possible.  That to me seems like useful liaising, going into their house and breaking stuff does not.  So it's just a definitional/ tactical disagreement, not a big deal.
> 
> As for your suggestion, I have already taken on enough ICANN tasks to keep me quite busy.  More then that, though, I do not beleive my viewpoints are in the mainstream of NCUC at this point and may not even represent the mainstream of NCSG members, so would not see myself as being a good representative of the NCSG at this point in its and my lifecycle.  I think it is important for a group to have a liaison who is comfortable that she is in the mainstream of the organization she is representing.

I don't agree that your views are not in the mainstream, and I suspect quite a lot of people would be happy to have you serve as liaison to CSG, where a more assertive model of engagement would be entirely justified and necessary.
> 
> But thanks for thinking of me.  I am sure the CSG would have been' thrilled' to have me as a liaison.  It might have even been enough to bring them together. if I remember correctly I have been a unifying, albeit external, influence for the CSG in recent history.

See, it'd be a win win all around!
> 
> I would have answered a few of your other points, but it was just too caustic a note for me to know how to approach it.  Sorry I disagreed.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing and didn't mean to sound caustic if I did.  Surprise and mild annoyance can seep into words more than intended.

Please reconsider the CSG thing, I think you'd be perfect…

Bill
> 
> avri
> 
> On 13 Dec 2011, at 05:11, Joly MacFie wrote:
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>> Do it, Avri :)
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:31 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:
>> Hi Avri
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>> 
>> <snip> 
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>> I have a concrete suggestion if you'd like a role that goes beyond telling others how they should do their jobs.  We clearly need a liaison to the CSG.  Relations there have deteriorated rather badly, as will be on display in Technicolor in the Council discussion of the Outreach Task Force fiasco.  I would happily nominate you to serve as our liaison.  Since CSG and ALAC have similar positions on some items we care about, e.g. WHOIS, IPR, LEA, etc., there would be abundant opportunity to get in there and throw all the bombs you like.  Plus, CSG is riven with factionalism so you'd be well positioned to play one group off another by saying we support you and not you, etc.  So you could do the job precisely as you think it should be done.  Would you accept this nomination?  If so I can make it on the tonight's call.
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>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Bill
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>> 
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