Draft Council letter on the ARR

[Nuno Garcia]

Picking on Robin example, I too am in favour of a fully open
discussion. One should be responsible enough to take charge of his
views and of his words.

To help masquerade a discussion is to encourage and allow for
nonsense, hidden agendas, corruption, and so on.

Just as I am against anonymous messages, I am againts the use of this Rule.

If one has an opinion, let it be heard. If it deserves criticism of
others, one should take this criticism with dignity.

If one's opinion cannot stand the scrutiny of good sense and wisdom,
then its better to keep it for oneself, allowing it to grow and mature
until is time to be brought to light.

Overall de-responsabilisation is never a good choice.

My 2cents on this issue.

BR
Nuno Garcia, Portugal

2010/1/22 Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>:
> I was against the Chatham Rule for IGF MAG and I'm against it in this public
> governance institution.
> Here is an example of why I think its a problem.   During my first year on
> the MAG, I worked hard to try to get "human rights" as one of the
> cross-cutting issues to address all themes.  A number of civil society
> members on the MAG and a few govt folks also advocated for this and it was
> about to pass.  Then, at the the last moment, a certain govt official on the
> MAG (1 person representing a country with a tiny population) said "no" to
> human rights as a cross-cutting issue and it was DEAD.   Under these Chatham
> House Rules none of us can say what single country blocked the topic of
> human rights from making it onto the IGF agenda.
> The next year, I tried again to get human rights as a main
> theme/cross-cutting issue.   But due to the slowness of the UN in
> re-appointing the MAG, the meeting at which this decision was being made was
> open and so Chatham Rules did not apply.  Again a number of civil society
> actors weighed in for human rights to be prominent in the agenda.  But this
> year a different country, China, objected during this open meeting, so human
> rights was once again nixed from the prominent discussion topics.  But at
> least we can say it is because China objected - there is some trail of
> accountability.   Under Chatham rules, we can't say which small country
> objected the year before, so there will be no accountability for that
> government from the people who live there (or the rest of the world).  They
> don't even know their govt just killed human rights in the agenda for global
> governance, and apparently we've agreed to keep this dirty secret.  No.  Bad
> idea.
> Robin
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2010, at 2:10 AM, William Drake wrote:
>
> Robin
> Chatham doesn't make it secret, it just strips out the names of who said
> what.  The content still comes out. Other SGs feel that's important to them
> being able to participate (pertains mostly to inter-corporate squabbling)
> and I don't think we could have gotten a consensus council statement without
> it.  And that council statement does call for two way info flow with AC/SOs,
> which was not in the staff proposal.  So less than perfect transparency, but
> more than there'd have been otherwise.
> Best,
> Bill
> On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>
> Thanks for sending this draft council letter around.  It is very good except
> I do not agree that the review groups should operate under Chatham House
> Rules on confidentiality.  It would certainly be a step backward for a group
> that is to assess the openness and transparency of ICANN to operate in this
> secret fashion and contrary to ICANN's promises of openness and
> transparency.  Everything else in the letter looks good however.
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, William Drake wrote:
>
> Hi
> Please see the attached draft and let me know if you have any comments etc.
>  Otherwise I'll propose a motion tomorrow...
> Thanks,
> Bill
> <Draft GNSO Council response to the draft proposal on the Affirmation
> Reviews Requirements and Implementation Processes.pdf>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com>
> Date: January 19, 2010 4:58:20 PM GMT+01:00
> To: "William Drake" <william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>, "GNSO Council
> List" <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Subject: RE: [council] Draft Council letter on the ARR
>
> Please forward this to your SGs/Constituencies right away and request
> feedback.  The Council will need to make a decision on whether to submit
> the comments or some revised version of them in our 28 Jan meeting.  If
> anyone wants to make a motion in that regard, motions are needed by
> tomorrow, Wednesday, 20 January.
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org
>
> [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of William Drake
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:40 AM
>
> To: GNSO Council List
>
> Subject: [council] Draft Council letter on the ARR
>
> Hello,
>
> Attached please find the drafting team's proposed response to
>
> the draft proposal on the Affirmation Reviews Requirements
>
> and Implementation Processes, for discussion with our
>
> respective SGs and in the Council.
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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> Graduate Institute of International and
>  Development Studies
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> William J. Drake
> Senior Associate
> Centre for International Governance
> Graduate Institute of International and
>  Development Studies
> Geneva, Switzerland
> william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch
> www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html
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> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
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