[ncsg-policy] NCSG Open Policy Meeting - 4 August 1300 UTC

[Wendy Seltzer]

I will not be able to make this call either.

On the table for discussion and vote are two motions on WHOIS studies:
one to defer all studies until all of them are prepared (the last
currently have their RFPs under development); the second to begin the
WHOIS misuse study.

I initially opposed the misuse study as unscientific in its design, but
I believe that we are close to amendments that will make this study more
likely to generate useful results about whether and how data supplied
for WHOIS is misused.

I would be interested to hear the group's thoughts whether we should
support study 1 with amendments or support deferral of all studies.

Thanks,
--Wendy

On 08/03/2010 01:03 AM, Mary Wong wrote:
> I apologize that I won't be able to participate on this call, though I
> will be on the Council call the following day and so will greatly
> appreciate any updates and comments from NCSG members that might assist
> the Councillors in relation to the various action items and motions for
> voting that will be discussed.
>  
> I'd also encourage interested members to listen in on the live
> audiocast of the Council meeting. As Bill and others have said
> previously, this was the result of a motion made by NCSG Councillors in
> Brussels, to increase transparency and facilitate better SG
> participation and decision-making. While some Council meetings can be,
> shall we say, fairly dry or overly procedurally-focused, there are
> numerous substantive issues that do come up - e.g. VI, the various
> Review Teams, WHOIS etc. -and it will be good to be able to not only
> demonstrate NCSG interest but, perhaps more significantly, help make
> bottom-up consensus a stronger reality.
>  
> Finally, since I won't be on the NCSG call tomorrow, I thought I'd
> report here that the RAP Implementation team has been established (I'm
> the sole NCSG rep on it, surrounded by numerous commercial and IP
> folks). Although we were due to make our first report to the Council
> this Thursday, nothing much has happened (not surprising, since the
> group was formed only about a week ago). I expect there'll be more
> action after the Council meeting, during which the RAP-WG's Final Report
> will be further discussed.
>  
> Thanks and cheers
> Mary
>  
> Mary W S Wong
> Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs
> Franklin Pierce Law Center
> Two White Street
> Concord, NH 03301
> USA
> Email: mwong at piercelaw.edu
> Phone: 1-603-513-5143
> Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php
> Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network
> (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
> 
> 
>>>>
> 
> 
> From: Avri Doria <avri at ltu.se>
> To:NCSG Members List <NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> CC:NCSG-Policy <ncsg-policy at n4c.eu>
> Date: 8/1/2010 10:57 PM
> Subject: [ncsg-policy] NCSG Open Policy Meeting - 4 August 1300 UTC
> Hi,
> 
> I will send out an updated agenda before the meeting.
> 
> So far I see:
> 
> - Issues from the Council Agenda below
> - Report on any WG Status - let me know if the group you are in is
> worth talking about
> - Update on the Charter and the Board
> - Candidates for Review teams.  We spoke to the candidates for Whois at
> the last meeting.  If the candidates for the Stability and Security are
> on the call we speak with them.
> - Other policy issues?
> - other?
> 
> Remember the Council meeting can not be listened to in audiocast -
> Thursday 5 August at 1500 UTC
> 
> GNSO Council meeting audiocast http://stream.icann.org/gnso/
> 
> a.
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> 
> 
> From: Glen de Saint Géry <Glen at icann.org>
> Date: 30 July 2010 19:30:32 EDT
> To: liaison6c <liaison6c at gnso.icann.org>
> Subject: [liaison6c] Updated Agenda for GNSO Council Meeting 5 August
> 2010.
> 
> Please note the link to the :
> GNSO Council meeting audiocast http://stream.icann.org/gnso/
> Please distribute this link and the agenda to all your stakeholder
> group/constituency members
> http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/agenda-council-05aug10-en.htm
> 
> Agenda for GNSO Council Meeting 5 August 2010.
> 
> This agenda was established according to the GNSO Council Operating
> Procedures approved 28 October 2009 for the GNSO Council.
> http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/operating-procedures-revised-draft-clean-09oct09-en.pdf
> For convenience:
> * An excerpt of the ICANN Bylaws defining the voting thresholds is
> provided in Appendix 1 at the end of this agenda.
> * An excerpt from the Council Operating Procedures defining the
> absentee voting procedures is provided in Appendix 2 at the end of this
> agenda.
> Meeting Time 15:00 UTC
> 
> See the following and http://www.timeanddate.com/ for other times:
> 08:00 PDT; 10:00 CDT & Quito; 11:00 EDT; 12:00 Buenos Aires; 12:00
> Brazil; 17:00 CEST; 19:00 Moscow; 20:00 Pakistan; 23:00 Hong Kong; 00:00
> Tokyo, 01:00 Melbourne (next day)
> Dial-in numbers will be sent individually to Council members.
> Councilors should notify the GNSO Secretariat in advance if a dial out
> call is needed.
> Please click on the link to join the GNSO Council Adobe Connect room
> http://icann.na3.acrobat.com/gnsocouncil/
> Please enter as a 'guest'.
> 
> 
> GNSO Council meeting audiocast http://stream.icann.org/gnso/
> Item 1: Administrative matters (10 minutes)
> 1.1 Roll call of Council members
> 1.2 Update any statements of interest
> 1.3 Review/amend agenda
> 1.4. Note the status of minutes for the previous Council meeting per
> the GNSO Operating Procedures:
> • 15 July Meeting – Scheduled for approval on 28 July 2010 
> 
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09389.html 
> 
> Item 2: OSC GNSO Improvement Recommendations (15 minutes)
> 
> 2.1 Refer to motion:
> 
> https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?5_august_motions
> 
> 2.2 Read the motion (Olga Cavalli)
> 2.3 Discussion
> 2.4 Vote
> (Note that absentee voting will not be allowed for this vote.)
> 2.5 Action Items (if motion passes):
> 
> • Cheat sheet for new voting procedures (Ken Bour)
> • Distribution of Constituency & Stakeholder Group Operating Procedures
> (Glen de Saint Géry)
> • Staff will distribute a package of materials for SGs and
> Constituencies regarding charters (Rob Hoggarth)
> 
> Item 3: Whois Studies (20 minutes)
> 3.1 Refer to:
> • Whois Studies Report: 
> http://gnso.icann.org/issues/whois/whois-studies-report-for-gnso-23mar10-en.pdf
> 
> • RFP for Proxy/Abuse Study: 
> http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-18may10-en.htm
> • Liz Gasster's summary chart of the studies:
> http://gnso.icann.org/whois/whois-studies-chart-30jul10-en.pdf 
> • Brief overview of the study choices presented by Lisa Phifer on 15
> July: 
> http://brussels38.icann.org/meetings/brussels2010/presentation-whois-report-23jun10-en.pdf
> 3.2 Motion to delay decision on Whois studies
> • Refer to motion: 
> https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?5_august_motions 
> • Discussion
> • Vote
> (Note that absentee voting will not be allowed for this.)
> 3.3 Motion to proceed with Study # 1 (if needed)
> • Refer to motion: 
> https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?5_august_motions 
> • Discussion
> • Vote
> (Note that absentee voting will not be allowed for this.)
> 3.4 Continuing discussion of how to proceed in selecting studies
> 3.5 Next steps?
> Item 4: September meeting date September 16 (scheduled date) vs.
> September 8? (10 Minutes)
> • Refer to Doodle Poll results:
> o 8 September 11:00UTC and 15:00UTC
> http://www.doodle.com/k8ci6c69e8zb9ywq
> o 16 September 11:00UTC
> http://www.doodle.com/zvvzwfkd9xdp4wge
> • Discussion
> • Adobe Connect Poll (Kristina Nordstrom)
> 
> Item 5: Prioritization of GNSO work (20 Minutes)
> 5.1 Refer to posted project ratings: 
> http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/draft-work-prioritization-project-list-value-ratings-23jun10-en.pdf
> 
> 5.2 Key points made in the 15 July Council meeting (from meeting
> minutes):
> • “. . . not a useful exercise, not much was learnt, should not proceed
> further with the prioritization exercise.”
> • “. . . spending more time on the exercise will not accomplish useful
> results.”
> • “It was a difficult exercise, policy matters were not prioritized and
> the core issue, management of the workload, still has not been
> resolved.”
> • “The exercise was intended as a first step and not intended to solve
> the workload management; other steps are needed. The exercise
> contributed an important degree of common awareness and dissent to the
> group.”
> • “The prioritization process could be improved with further input from
> the Councilors and stakeholder groups.”
> • “The exercise is important and informative from a staff perspective
> and the Council needs to look at a two-step process going forward: step
> one - form a small team to improve the process used to date drawing on
> input received; step two - develop a process to manage the workload with
> input from staff of the resources being used to support each of the
> working groups, which will reflect both staff and community efforts.”
> • “Support was expressed for continuing the prioritization work, but
> linking it to the overall ICANN Staff and Community workload and to the
> Budget process.”
> • “The question of available resources should be looked at in context.
> The Vertical Integration working group as an example of one that would
> not normally have commenced with all the work before Council, yet it did
> and the community resources were available.”
> • “Some believe that work should be prioritized but the methodology
> chosen is not the most appropriate or efficient.”
> 5.3 Next Steps
> • Staff Utilization Analysis targeted for 26 August meeting (Liz
> Gasster)
> • Adobe Connect Poll Council regarding possible next steps (Kristina
> Nordstrom):
> o Option 1: Spend no more time on prioritization 
> o Option 2: Develop a plan for using the results to manage the workload
> in the near term
> o Option 3: Form a drafting team with the task of developing a new
> process
> o Option 4: Form a drafting team with the task of improving the
> process
> o Option 5: Other? (including combinations of options 2, 3, and or 4)
> • Discussion?
> • Action Items
> Item 6: GNSO Endorsements for the AoC SSR & Whois Policies RTs (10
> minutes)
> 6.1 Refer to:
> • GNSO AoC Reviews site: http://gnso.icann.org/aoc-reviews/ 
> • GNSO SSR RT site: http://gnso.icann.org/aoc-reviews/dns-ssr-en.htm
> • GNSO Whois RT site:
> http://gnso.icann.org/aoc-reviews/whois-policies-en.htm
> 6.2 Key dates in the endorsement process:
> • 29 July – End of application period
> • 19 August – Due date for SG input (SG primary endorsements +
> additional candidates supported for diversity purposes)
> • 26 August – Council meeting
> • 8 or 16 September – Council meeting (see agenda item 11.2 below)
> • 12 September – GNSO endorsement slate due to Selectors
> 6.3 Brief summary of candidates by SG for the SSR & Whois RTs (Glen de
> Saint Géry)
> 6.4 Discussion
> 
> Item 7: Vertical Integration (VI) PDP WG (10 Minutes)
> 7.1 Progress report (Stéphane Van Gelder)
> 7.2 Timeline
> • End of public comment period for Initial Report: 13 August
> • Target date for summary & analysis of public comments: 16 August
> • Target date for submission of revised Initial Report to Council: 18
> August
> • Deadline for submission of Initial Report to the Board for their
> retreat: 13 September
> 7.3 Discussion
> 
> Item 8: Registration Abuse Policies Working Group Final Report (5
> Minutes)
> 
> 8.1 Refer to:
> • Final Report:
> http://gnso.icann.org/issues/rap/rap-wg-final-report-29may10-en.pdf
> • Summary of Recommendations
> http://gnso.icann.org/issues/rap/rap-final-report-conclusion-recommendations-13jul10-en.pdf
> 8.2 Volunteers to develop action plan for Council consideration:
> • Greg Aaron, chair of the RAP WG
> • Chuck Gomes, Council Chair
> • Mikey O'Connor CBUC-RAP WG member 
> • Joi White  - IPC CSG 
> • David Donahue -IPC CSG 
> • Berry Cob - CBUC -RAP WG member 
> • Phil Corwin - CBUC -RAP WG member 
> • Mary Wong - NCSG 
> • Faisal Shah -RAP WG member 
> • Fred Felman -RAP WG member 
> • Other?
> 8.3 Note:
> • Marika Konings will provide Staff policy support for this effort.
> • An email list is up and running with all of the above subscribed.
> • The group will be polled regarding the regular time of the meetings
> and date of the first meeting; it may be appropriate to use the
> recurring time that the RAP group used.
> Item 9: Cartagena Planning (10 Minutes)
> 9.1 Action items from Brussels Wrap-Up Meeting
> • Stéphane van Gelder to take the lead, with Glen's assistance, in
> preparing the schedule for the GNSO calendar for the Cartagena meetings
> in December 2010.
> • Glen will follow-up with the ICANN meetings team regarding the
> following:
> o Coffee should be available in close proximity to the meeting rooms.
> o Allowance should be made in the schedule for breaks between all the
> meetings.
> o Make Adobe Connect work better with all operating systems or
> alternatives that allow participation from Linux based systems.
> o Changing the start time of the Council meeting so that it is no so
> early.
> • Wendy Seltzer will lead a group of the following volunteers to
> develop suggested improvements to the running of the GNSO Public Council
> meetings:
> o Tim Ruiz
> o Kristina Rosette
> o Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
> o Edmon Chung
> o Adrian Kinderis
> o Others?
> • A group will be formed to work on the GNSO Council interaction with
> the Board.
> o Volunteers:
> o Terry Davis 
> o David Taylor 
> o Jaime Wagner 
> o Zahid Jamil 
> o Stéphane van Gelder 
> o Others? 
> o Stéphane volunteered to lead this effort.
> • Target date for completion of work and submission of input to
> Stéphane & Glen for schedule planning: 15 September.
> 9.2 Other issues?
> 
> Item 10: Drafting team for draft DNS-CERT/SSR WG charter (5 minutes)
> 10.1 GNSO Volunteers:
> • Terry Davis (NCA) 
> • Rafik Dammak (NCSG) 
> • Greg Aaron (RySG, Afilias) 
> • Kathy Kleiman (RySG, PIR) 
> • Keith Drazek (RySG, VeriSign) 
> • Mike Rodenbaugh (CSG, CBUC) 
> • Zahid Jamil (CSG, CBUC) 
> • Rodney Joffe (RySG, NeuStar)
> • Jaime Wagner (CSG, ISCPC)
> 10.2 Status report (Chuck Gomes)
> 
> Item 11: Audio-casting of Council meetings (5 minutes)
> 
> 11.1 Refer to information sent to the Council list by Marika on 26 July
> 2010.
> 11.2 Implementation status
> 11.3 Additional feedback?
> 
> Item 12: Other Business (10 minutes)
> 
> 12.1 Standing committee to monitor GNSO Improvement implementation
> • Note: As part of the motion to approve implementation of the OSC CCT
> recommendations, the Council resolved to convene a standing committee
> whose role will be to monitor, coordinate, and manage the continuing
> implementation of the various recommendations emanating from the
> chartered GNSO Improvements Work Teams.
> • Any suggestions regarding how to do this?
> Appendix 1: GNSO Council Voting Thresholds (ICANN Bylaws, Article X,
> Section 3)
> 9. Except as otherwise specified in these Bylaws, Annex A hereto, or
> the GNSO Operating Procedures, the default threshold to pass a GNSO
> Council motion or other voting action requires a simple majority vote of
> each House. The voting thresholds described below shall apply to the
> following GNSO actions:
> 1. Create an Issues Report: requires an affirmative vote of more than
> 25% vote of each House or majority of one House;
> 2. Initiate a Policy Development Process (“PDP”) Within Scope (as
> described in Annex A): requires an affirmative vote of more than 33% of
> each House or more than 66% of one House;
> 3. Initiate a PDP Not Within Scope: requires an affirmative vote of
> more than 75% of one House and a majority of the other House (“GNSO
> Supermajority”);
> 4. Approve a PDP Recommendation Without a GNSO Supermajority: requires
> an affirmative vote of a majority of each House and further requires
> that one GNSO Council member representative of at least 3 of the 4
> Stakeholder Groups supports the Recommendation;
> 5. Approve a PDP Recommendation With a GNSO Supermajority: requires an
> affirmative vote of a GNSO Supermajority; and
> 6. Approve a PDP Recommendation Imposing New Obligations on Certain
> Contracting Parties: where an ICANN contract provision specifies that “a
> two-thirds vote of the council” demonstrates the presence of a
> consensus, the GNSO Supermajority vote threshold will have to be met or
> exceeded with respect to any contracting party affected by such contract
> provision.
> Appendix 2: Absentee Voting Procedures (Council Operating Procedures
> 4.4)
> Members that are absent from a meeting at the time of a vote on the
> following items may vote by absentee ballot:
> 1. Initiate a policy development process;
> 2. Forward a policy recommendation to the Board;
> 3. Recommend amendments to the ICANN Bylaws;
> 4. Fill a position open for election.
> The GNSO Secretariat will provide reasonable means for transmitting and
> authenticating absentee ballots, which could include voting by
> telephone, e- mail, or web-based interface. Absentee ballots must be
> submitted within 72 hours following the start of the meeting in which a
> vote is initiated, except that, in exceptional circumstances announced
> at the time of the vote, the Chair may reduce this time to 24 hours or
> extend the time to 7 days. There must be a quorum for the meeting in
> which the vote is initiated.
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