Charters RESPONSE

[Robin Gross]

Cheryl,

You consistently misrepresent the constituency in order to further
your own political ambitions.

On what statistical information do you claim NCUC always votes a
block?   In fact, NCUC splits its votes on the GNSO Council more
frequently than any other constituency.  Some OTHER constituency
representatives are REQUIRED by their constituency to vote the
'official constituency position' on issues, while NCUC has always
allowed individual councilors to vote as they like.   We do make an
effort to vote as a block - but we are not required to.  The group's
SG proposal to the board continues with this tradition of allowing
representatives to vote as individuals, while encouraging solidarity.

Yet, you consistently misrepresent anything the constituency does or
says to suit yourself.

Robin


On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> 1.	The Alternative Charter is not too late.  I have again talked
>> with ICANN staff and there is no "deadline" that was missed.
>
> Cheryl your comments are very misleading.
>
> First, there is a deadline. The whole process of chartering the GNSO
> stakeholder groups must be completed before June 2009. We are in very
> good shape because we are starting earlier.
>
> It took us 6 months to develop a first draft, it could easily take
> another 4 to settle on the final version. The sooner we finish, of
> course, the better.
>
> It should be obvious that ICANN wants and needs a single proposal that
> the existing noncommercial stakeholders agree on. It does not want
> (and
> will not) put itself in a position of choosing between factions in the
> group. Or is that what you are hoping for? Do you think that you can
> submit a draft that only you support, and somehow get the central
> administration to impose it on the rest of us? That is a fantasy. It
> won't happen.
>
> So here's the bottom line, and frankly we both know this:
>
> We have a working draft. Over the next few months many people will
> read
> it and make comments, suggestions, criticisms, etc. Based on those
> comments, amendments will be made. Whatever ideas you have about
> how the
> NCUC draft should be changed will be part of that process. They
> will be
> amendments to the draft we are working on.
>
> An additional misrepresentation discussed below:
>
>> The business users group, for
>> example, is made up of 3-4 constituencies who do not always have
>> "similar interests," but sometimes widely inconsistent and
>> competing interests that have to be negotiated.  (Do you want
>
> Wrong. It is a matter of documented fact that the three business
> constituencies vote the same way 89% of the time. If you take out some
> relatively meaningless procedural votes and concentrate on
> substance it
> is more like 95% of the time.
>
>> We must avoid the kind of dialogue that conveys
>> this message: "There is this bigger, scary political dynamic and
>> rules
>> and deadlines you can't understand, and you, as a newcomer, don't
>> have nearly enough history, background, insider connections, and
>> expertise."
>
> That's true. But we must also avoid people who exploit newcomers'
> unawareness of ongoing processes in an attempt to promote a position
> that has no support among the membership.
>
>> I see no reason to continue any discussion other than on the
>> merits of
>> the two proposals.
>
> Here we totally agree. If you want to propose specific
> modifications of
> the draft we are working on, you are free to do so. If however you
> frame
> the issue as choosing between two proposals, you will instantly lose,
> because one proposal has the support of the majority of
> participants and
> the other has only one supporter.




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