Sampa...

[Mawaki Chango]

Sorry Norbert to hear about all the hassle you're going through at
work, and I'm supportive of our chair's advise. In your email, there
seemed to have a doubt about a possible ICANN funding for the meeting
in SP. As far as I know, there are no such plans, and since I've been
around (admittedly, not for as long as many of you guys), they've
been providing only ad hoc support to the GNSO
council/committees/TFs/WGs to advance work on a specific issue.

So as a way forward and in order to allow our relevant organs to make
a timely decision, I suggest the council members who are available to
attend SP and would need funding from the constituency just state it
now - that is the case with me - before we hear from the treasurer
advice, thanks.

- mawaki 

--- Carlos Afonso <ca at RITS.ORG.BR> wrote:

> My immediate reaction as chair is: you continue *at least* until
> our 
> NCUC meeting in Sampa, where we will have the opportunity to
> discuss 
> carefully membership situations like this. My personal proposal is
> that 
> you should continue with us no matter what.
> 
> fraternal regards
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> Norbert Klein wrote:
> > Thanks, Mawaki, to start the discussion and Carlos, to pick it
> up.
> > 
> > I have a somewhat bad news (though it is not final) - while my
> > participation in ICANN/NCUC/GNSO council meetings has been
> financially
> > facilitated by the the office of INTIF in the Francophonie, for
> internal
> > reasons it is not clear if this will happen for Brazil or not. So
> if I
> > would start to plan soon, I would have to have some assurance it
> can be
> > mad possible financially.
> > 
> > And I have to add another complication: for reasons of an
> internal deep
> > conflict i the Open Forum of Cambodia, all members of the former
> > Executive Committee (I am one of them) were laid off on 30 June
> 2006
> > (=no salary). We are involved in a protracted struggle with the
> Board
> > whose term had expired when they dismissed us and took over also
> > administrative control of the office, that is: it was closed.
> > 
> > Now the expired board members would surely say: I cannot be
> considered a
> > bona fide member of the Open Forum of Cambodia (so I may have
> lost the
> > basis to be in NCUC). Some other people do not share this view -
> and at
> > present there is a stalemate. Don't ask me when it will be
> solved, and how.
> > 
> > I can report that a colleague in the Open Forum is a member of
> the
> > Executive Board of APC - the Association for Progressive
> Communication.
> > APC was informed about our situation and said that she should
> still
> > participate in the APC Executive Board meeting in Prague - and
> she
> > returned from there some days ago. - We hope that there ill be
> "some"
> > solution - and APC said this situation should not interrupt their
> 
> > Executive Board membership.
> > 
> > So can you please decide on two points:
> > 
> >     Should I be considered out for the time being - or do you
> want to
> >     take a similar position as APC? (I would inform the GNSO
> chair that
> >     I cannot participate, only if NCUC would decide that I am out
> at
> >     present - or maybe the NCUC chair should do this and have a
> >     replacement for me.)
> > 
> >     If this decision would be positive - what kind of travel
> support
> >     would be possible? - I am not aware what the GNSO/ICANN
> position on
> >     travel support is at present.
> > 
> > Sorry, compas, that I come with such difficult questions. You
> cannot
> > imagine how life was since about June - and what a stress it is
> to be in
> > this struggle.
> > 
> > 
> > Norbert
> > 
> > Anybody interested in what World Bank etc. say about the state of
> law in
> > Cambodia, and how many points "good governance" went down
> compared to
> > 2004 and 2005? Very practical questions for some of us, at
> present. We
> > may even face (ridiculously constructed) legal problems.
> > =
> > 
> > 
> > Carlos Afonso wrote:
> >> Olá, meu caro Mawaki,
> >>
> >> I am posting my reply to the list since this ought to be the
> concern
> >> of several other NCUCers. You are right, travel tickets to/from
> Brazil
> >> are at a premium since Varig's near collapse, and flights seem
> to be
> >> full.
> >>
> >> We are trying our best to organize the right to privacy meeting
> in São
> >> Paulo with FGV, but so far this did not advance well. Milton
> suggests
> >> we do the privacy meeting together with a session on whois, and
> I agree.
> >>
> >> Hope to have better news during this week on this meeting.
> >>
> >> In any case, we will have our usual NCUC meeting, so I think all
> the
> >> ones wanting to come to SP should make the preparations and
> check with
> >> our treasurer on the possible funds available as well as the
> >> procedures. By all means at least our three GNSO council members
> >> should come to SP.
> >>
> >> fraternal regards
> >>
> >> --c.a.
> >>
> >> ps for the ones who do not know much about BR: "Sampa" is the
> friendly
> >> nickname of the city of São Paulo :)
> >>
> >> Mawaki Chango wrote:
> >>> Alo compa, todo bom?
> >>>
> >>> queria dizer por Sao Paulo, seria possivel organizar o nosso
> ExCo
> >>> para tomar uma decisao mais cedo sobre a ajuda financiera de
> >>> participacao? as tarefas de bilhete andao augmentando cada vez
> mais,
> >>> e seria tambem melhor para os finances da NCUC de fazer planos
> mais
> >>> cedo.
> >>>
> >>> abroco,
> >>>
> >>> Mawaki
> >>>
> >>> .
> >>>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Carlos A. Afonso
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