[ncdnhc-discuss] Internet is global=we need central planning

[James Love]

Alejandro,  I have conceded the uniqueness issue a million times on this
list, and in our formal comments.  The fact that you responded as if I
didn't see a role for ICANN on this issue means to me that you are paying
zero attention.   I'm astonished, really, that we have having this
conversation.   For the billionth time, I concede ICANN needs to make *SOME*
decisions.  Lets repeat, *SOME* decisions.  Uniqueness, UDRP, whois,
whatever.  Is THIS CLEAR?   What I am asking is does ICANN have to make
EVERY DECISION, or can some of this be decentralized?   Can my own
government, or the French government, or the Mexican government, authorize
some local business or non-profit to run a registry, subject to the registry
meeting whatever GLOBAL coordination that is TRULY NEEDED at the ICANN
level.    Could the DNSO set up REGIONAL bodies to authorize new TLDS, so
the ICANN board only has to deal with GLOBAL coordination issues (like is
done now for numbering).  Is it conceivable (from a practical point of view)
that the ICANN board will seek to coordinate policy on new TLDS, not manage
even minor details of the global registry business, as it does now.     I'm
shouting, but what will it take to have a good faith conversation about
this?

  Jamie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alejandro Pisanty - DGSCA y FQ, UNAM" <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
To: "James Love" <james.love at cptech.org>
Cc: "NCDNHC-discuss list" <discuss at icann-ncc.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] Internet is global=we need central planning


> James,
>
> I am saying that there has to be central coordination to ensure uniqueness
> of identifiers, and policies to ensure stability (you don't want a sudden
> void to appear in namespace). That makes it very hard for, say, a govt to
> go on its own establishing a gTLD, without some agreements as to how it
> will operate. You can maybe envision an ICANN-less world, in which these
> agreements are made on a peer-to-peer basis, but I find it unrealistic for
> this to occur without a forum where all registries can come together. And
> I would be surprised if you agreed for these decisions to be made in a
> registry-only closed organization. Which brings in the registrars,
> businesses, users, etc., and those with an opinion, like academics,
> consumer organizations, etc. Your title here "Internet is global" does
> have far reaching consequences; a locally generated TLD would be like a
> ccTLD, with responsibilities for those within the country and those
> outside (it is meant for location of the country's resources by outsiders
> as much as by locals, isn't it?).
>
> All this implies a level of central coordination, not central planning. I
> find your subject line misleading in this sense.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
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> On Wed, 1 May 2002, James Love wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alejandro Pisanty - DGSCA y FQ, UNAM" <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
> > > > 1.  Do you believe I am making unrealistic proposals with regard to
what
> > can
> > > > be decentralized, and what I concede might be centralized?
> > >
> > > The degree to which you seem to think that some functions can be
> > > decentralized appears unrealistic to me. As a prime example, gTLD
policy.
> >
> >      Alejandro, are you saying there is no realistic alternative to
having
> > the ICANN board choose who gets TLDs, telling registry operators what
names
> > they can and cannot use, telling them what business models to follow,
and
> > what prices to charge?  And that none of this can be done by national
> > governments or regional bodies?    And *all* of these decisions have to
be
> > made by a single centralized body?    I am quite willing to have *some*
TLD
> > policies be made globally.  But I don't see the basis for saying *all*
TLD
> > decisons have to be made by the ICANN board.
> >
> >   Jamie
> >
> > --------------------------------
> > James Love mailto:james.love at cptech.org
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> >
> >
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