[ncdnhc-discuss] Participation without representation?

[Milton Mueller]

There is no evidence that there is anyone other than Kent
in this Boat Club who gives a damn about DNS.
That is the whole problem with Potter Yachter's membership. 
It is just a subterfuge for Kent's individual representation,
so that he can participate in DNSO to argue against
individual representation in ICANN. So given Kent's 
membership in the Business constituency, if Potter Yachter's
want full voting membership in NCDNHC they have to put
forward a representative who is n ot Kent. If they are
unable to do this what does it tell you about the
status of this organization and its interest in NCDNHC?

>>> "James Love" <love at cptech.org> 03/14/02 03:02PM >>>
I thought the dues that Crispin paid were for the boat club.  There are
no individual memberships in the NCC.   If Kent is excluded, for
whatever reason, the boat club can have someone else vote for them.
Jamie



----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Mueller" <mueller at syr.edu>
To: <discuss at icann-ncc.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] Participation without representation?


> Crispin's membership dues should be refunded,
> unless they were considered a donation to the
> NCDNHC. Our rules regarding eligibility are clear,
> and they have nothing to do with the positions
> advocated by Crispin. Indeed, Alejandro and the one
> or two others who agree with Kent are members in
> good standing because they follow our rules.
>
> >>> Kent Crispin <kent at songbird.com> 03/14/02 11:08 AM >>>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 10:30:03AM -0500, Rick Weingarten wrote:
> > I'll tell you what will fade away. We will stop paying our dues and
might
> > even demand a refund. ICANN's powers-that-be should understand that
there
> > are many organizations that have paid their dues and that will not
> > appreciate being disenfranchised. Those dues were paid based on
> > understandings of the rights and privileges they conveyed.
>
> Indeed.  The potter-yachters paid their dues, and are being
> disenfranchised by the attempts to maintain the "ideological purity"
of
> the constituency, using absolutely bogus claims of "conflict of
> interest".  In the US, at least, the right to vote is sacred -- you
can
> vote regardless of who you are, or who you represent, or anything like
> that.
>
> The whole point of the constituency is to *discover* the views of
> non-commercial organizations, not to dictate them.  The powers that be
> in this constituency have decided *in advance* what views are
> acceptable, and are actively working to remove anyone who's interests
> may "conflict" with the acceptable views.  There is no a priori reason
> why non-commercial entities might not be very much in favor of ICANN
and
> it's policies, or that commercial and non commercial interests might
> line up on any particular issue, therefore there is no a priori reason
> why membership in constituency, or employment status, should have any
> bearing at all on representation.
>
> > There may well be a problem with uncollected dues, but silencing
everyone
> > whether or not they have paid is not an acceptable solution.
>
> OTOH, The adcom and membership of the NCC are perfectly willing to
> silence anyone who opposes their views, and they accept that happily.
>
> Kent
>
> --
> Kent Crispin                               "Be good, and you will be
> kent at songbird.com                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain
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