[ncdnhc-discuss] Adding more namespace - was making George richer -

Tue Jun 18 16:07:37 CEST 2002

The problem is DNS and how it works relative to global IP models, and this
paraphrased in a single sentence, is due to their only being a facility to
support a single root in the original BIND. The phone company figured this
out years ago went they invented "Area Codes" allowing the same numbers to
be replicated within each area code...

To reinforce this the reason they needed AC's was because the "station
addressing system" had a limited number of possible responses. Domain Names
because they are built for the largest part on language or words in common
use in that demographic, have a much smaller number of the total
possibilities that an alphabet alone name space could represent.

For instance domains like coca-cola.com would give way to ASDFG-QWERTY.com
and we would have to rely totally on search engines or publishing
bureaus/portals for our access model. However there is the simple solution
of adding an Area Code to the address:

www.coca-cola.com

[zone-name]www.coca-cola.com

but more importantly for each zone supported, you could have a complete set
of DOT COM, NET, and ORG's + the other 4 or 5 TLDs. As to the ccTLD's this
works for them as well, the ccTLD's get replaced with the simpler

[cc]Joes-company.com  style addresses...

Remember - All that is going on here is that the "bracket encased zone tag"
is defining which set of root servers the rest of the address needs to be
resolved and the net effect is - Poof - Billions more potentially available
names, just create the zones. This new naming convention also keeps the
names more or less the same length and the ccTLD's names have been longer
than the other names giving them a disadvantage.

The other benefit is the potential creation of this  new class of "Word
Names" that are a part of a single TLD Zone. And Single TLD Zone would not
need a TLD specified in my model either. If there is no "dot TLD" in the
submitted DNS name, then the name is assumed to be "dot default" and as such
is not needed. The server will likewise expect the same. This minor parser
trick gives us the Trademark style single word domains like

Todd Glassey
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From: "James Love" <james.love at cptech.org>
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Subject: [ncdnhc-discuss] The "make George Kirikos a Multi-millionaire
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> http://www.opensrs.org/archives/discuss-list/0201/0339.html
>
> Re: Fw: [icann-delete] Proposal: Registry Re-circulation System
>
> Subject: Re: Fw: [icann-delete] Proposal: Registry Re-circulation System
> From: George Kirikos (gkirikos at yahoo.com)
> Date: Mon Jan 07 2002 - 15:50:02 EST
>
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>
> Hello,
>
> With regards to the Afternic proposal, it gives all the value of the
> domains that are auctioned to the REGISTRARS, but what did they do to
> create the value? Nothing. Names like Cheerleaders.com or Bipolar.com
> or Infertility.com or Beijing.com have *intrinsic* value, due to
> nothing that the registrars did (just like Sex.com has intrinsic value,
> just due to the nature of the word).
>
> If individual registrars want to, individually (not as a
> non-competitive cartel) take monetary consideration (whether it be
> auction-based (Name-Winner), flat-fee (SnapNames-style), monthly access
> fee (eNom drop club and others), or variations) for the ATTEMPT at a
> name, I don't see that as a problem, as they're charging a fee for a
> service (the attempt). This still leaves open the possibility (albeit,
> small) that any person could still get the domain, for $6 if they time
> things perfectly on a drop through a normal registration (remember, all
> registrars can NOT run automated scripts via the non-batch pools
> whereas the average consumer can register names manually at the same
> time). That's the system we have right now, which is ripe with
> competition and consumer choice.
>
> Replacing one monopoly (Verisign's WLS) with another (a cartel of
> registrars doing an auction) isn't a solution which promotes
> competition. In my opinion, registrars can, acting individually and in
> competition with one another, still make a healthy profit by picking a
> business model that offers the consumer some value and service for
> going after an expiring name. Some might partner with Snap, some go it
> alone with their own systems for a flat-fee, some might introduce
> "one-click" registrations to allow registrants faster direct access,
> some might auction the attempt, and who knows what other innovations
> can occur as long as the market is allowed to flourish and compete.
> Introduction of a monopoly or cartel at the REGISTRY interface brings
> all this healthy innovation and competition to an end. Consumers want
> choice, not more monopolies. We have this in the Status Quo Proposal
> (which I hereby name!). :)
>
> While folks are making "Proposals", I'll add a fourth proposal. I'll
> call it the "Let's make George Kirikos a Multi-Millionaire" proposal.
> With the consent of ICANN, I propose that all expiring names be
> auctioned off by George Kirikos, with said proceeds going to the George
> Kirikos Retirement Fund. While not a registrar or a registry, he is a
> registrant! (the third "r") While he did nothing to create the value of
> names such as Cheerleaders.com or Infertility.com, neither did the
> registrars or registry, so all three have equal claims.
>
> So, there you have it, folks. Four proposals on the table:
>
> 1) Verisign WLS proposal
> 2) Afternic "auction" proposal in a registrars cartel.
> 3) Status Quo proposal
> 4) Let's make George Kirikos a Multi-millionaire proposal.
>
> Please choose #4! Pretty please! Pretty please with sugar on top! As
> your new OVERLORD ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H, KING ^H^H^H^H humble servant, I
> promise to use the funds for noble purposes. I plan to travel the
> world, to spread the word about the virtues of the internet to such
> under-developed places like the Bahamas, Cayman Islands, Monaco,
> Tuvalu, the beaches of Greece, the beaches of Brazil, and other
> hotspots. While I am drinking champagne surrounded by buxomy beauties
> in tiny bikinis, errr, I mean bringing the gospel of the internet to
> certain blondes who don't know how to use computers, I will think of
> all of you with such fondness for allowing me to serve such an
> important public role. It's a tough job, I know, but I think I am
> qualified and will serve you all well!
>
> I remain always, your most humble and obedient servant, :)
>
> George Kirikos
> http://www.kirikos.com/
>
> Sincerely,
>
> George Kirikos
> http://www.kirikos.com/
>
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