[ncdnhc-discuss] Second Status Report on Implementation of Evolution and Reform

Thu Jul 25 05:17:22 CEST 2002

Eric (and others),

When I read the Second Status Report, I was surprised to see that my name 
was not included in the list of people providing assistance to the 
ERC.  Like those listed, I had offered to serve.

I just sent a message to Denise Michel about this.  It is below.

Hans

>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:48:19 -0400
>To: aloc at at-large.org
>From: "Hans Klein" <hans.klein at pubpolicy.gatech.edu>
>Subject: Re: [aloc] Report to ERC?
>Cc: Alejandro Pisanty - CUAED y FQ UNAM <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
>
>Dear Denise,
>
>I am among those who volunteered for the small group to make 
>recommendations on implementation issues.  You requested a response by the 
>morning of July 22 (PDT), and I responded within that deadline. (Our email 
>exchange is below.) (I believe Sotiris may have also volunteered by the 
>deadline.)
>
>However, I am not included in the list of people announced by the ERC.
>See http://www.icann.org/committees/evol-reform/status-report-24jul02.htm 
>(last paragraph).
>
>This was probably just an oversight that can easily be remedied.  Can you 
>please inform the ERC that I am among the people on the team?
>
>To my colleagues on this list, I do want to draw your attention to the 
>process here.  Obviously, I share the concern (that others have expressed 
>here) that our ALOC not serve to legitimate the elimination of user 
>representation in ICANN.  I am just a little worried that the absence of 
>my name is significant.  Stranger things have happened around ICANN!  :-)
>
>The group members accepted by the ERC are:
>         Gabriel Piñeiro
>         Tommi Karttaavi
>         Peter M. Shane
>         Núria de la Fuente Teixidó
>         Edmundo Valenti
>         Vittorio Bertola
>         Izumi Aizu
>
>I believe my name belongs on that list, too.  If I remember correctly, 
>Sotiris also belongs on that list.
>
>I hope we can quickly remedy this situation!  Thanks!
>
>Hans
>
>
>At 03:31 PM 7/19/2002 -0700, Denise Michel wrote:
>>***Please let me know by Monday morning, July 22 (PDT) if you are available
>>to work on this via email (phone if needed) next week.***
>
>At 10:49:11 AM 22 Jul 2002 -0400 Hans Klein wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Urgent input needed for ERC  on At-Large ***please respond 
>>by Monday morning***
>>
>>I am available to work on this.
>
>THE FULL EMAIL:
>
>>Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:29:18 -0400
>>To: "Denise Michel" <denisemichel at sbcglobal.net>, "Vittorio Bertola" 
>><vb at vitaminic.net>, "Veni Markovski" <icannatlarge at isoc.bg>, "Tommi 
>>Karttaavi" <tommi.karttaavi at iki.fi>, "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" 
>><sotiris at hermesnetwork.com>, "Satyajit Gupta" 
>><icheckemail at indiatimes.com>, "Rick Hauptman" <RBHauptman at aol.com>, 
>>"Ramboasalama Haja" <ramboa at ird.mg>, "Ramayya Krishnan" 
>><rk2x at andrew.cmu.edu>, "Peter Shane" <pshane at andrew.cmu.edu>, Nuria de la 
>>Fuente Teixidó <ateneas at retemail.es>, "Na. Vijayashankar" 
>><naavi at vsnl.com>, "Izumi Aizu" <izumi at anr.org>, "Gonzalo Auza" 
>><gonzalo at juandegaray.org.ar>, Gabriel Piñeiro <legales at derecho.org.ar>, 
>>"Esther Dyson" <edyson at edventure.com>, "Edmundo Valenti" 
>><emv at southtech.com.ar>, "Denise Michel" <denisemichel at sbcglobal.net>, 
>><Christian.Ahlert at sowi.uni-giessen.de>, "Andy Oram" <andyo at oreilly.com>, 
>>"Andriamparany Marius" <marius at refer.mg>, "MOSCOWITZ Alain" 
>><Alain.MOSCOWITZ at totalfinaelf.com>, "Jakobsen Tom (E-mail)" 
>><JacobsenTom at acm.org>
>>From: "Hans Klein" <hans.klein at pubpolicy.gatech.edu>
>>Subject: Re: Urgent input needed for ERC  on At-Large ***please respond 
>>by Monday morning***
>>
>>
>>Denise,
>>
>>Please add my name, too.  Thanks!
>>
>>Hans
>>
>>
>>At 08:49 AM 7/22/2002 -0700, Denise Michel wrote:
>>>Thanks for your responses.  Here are the volunteers I've received for the
>>>assistance group on the proposed At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC):
>>>
>>>Gabriel Piñeiro, , legales at derecho.org.ar (LatinoamerICANN)
>>>Tommi Karttaavi, tommi.karttaavi at iki.fi (ISOC Finland)
>>>Esther Dyson, edyson at edventure.com (former ALSC member - ICANN At-Large
>>>Study Committee)
>>>Peter M. Shane, pshane at andrew.cmu.edu (InSITeS - Institute for the Study of
>>>Information Technology and Society)
>>>Núria de la Fuente Teixidó, ateneas at retemail.es (STEC - Sistemas Técnicos de
>>>Enseñanza Consultores)
>>>Edmundo Valenti, emv at southtech.com.ar (Internet Society Argentina Chapter)
>>>Vittorio Bertola, vb at vitaminic.net (ISOC Italy)
>>>Izumi Aizu, izumi at anr.org (former NAIS member - NGO and Academic ICANN
>>>Study)
>>>Denise Michel, coordinator at at-large.org (coordinator, at-large organizing)
>>>
>>>All ALOC members and interested individuals, of course, will be encouraged
>>>to participate/contribute to the ALAC discussion.  Our goal is to offer
>>>concrete recommendations for community consideration/comment under the ERC's
>>>timeline.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>Denise
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Denise Michel" <denisemichel at sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: "Vittorio Bertola" <vb at vitaminic.net>; "Veni Markovski"
>>><icannatlarge at isoc.bg>; "Tommi Karttaavi" <tommi.karttaavi at iki.fi>; "Sotiris
>>>Sotiropoulos" <sotiris at hermesnetwork.com>; "Satyajit Gupta"
>>><icheckemail at indiatimes.com>; "Rick Hauptman" <RBHauptman at aol.com>;
>>>"Ramboasalama Haja" <ramboa at ird.mg>; "Ramayya Krishnan"
>>><rk2x at andrew.cmu.edu>; "Peter Shane" <pshane at andrew.cmu.edu>; "Nuria de la
>>>Fuente Teixidó" <ateneas at retemail.es>; "Na. Vijayashankar" <naavi at vsnl.com>;
>>>"Izumi Aizu" <izumi at anr.org>; "Hans Klein"
>>><hans.klein at pubpolicy.gatech.edu>; "Gonzalo Auza"
>>><gonzalo at juandegaray.org.ar>; "Gabriel Piñeiro" <legales at derecho.org.ar>;
>>>"Esther Dyson" <edyson at edventure.com>; "Edmundo Valenti"
>>><emv at southtech.com.ar>; "Denise Michel" <denisemichel at sbcglobal.net>;
>>><Christian.Ahlert at sowi.uni-giessen.de>; "Andy Oram" <andyo at oreilly.com>;
>>>"Andriamparany Marius" <marius at refer.mg>; "MOSCOWITZ Alain"
>>><Alain.MOSCOWITZ at totalfinaelf.com>; "Jakobsen Tom (E-mail)"
>>><JacobsenTom at acm.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 3:31 PM
>>>Subject: Urgent input needed for ERC on At-Large ***please respond by Monday
>>>morning***
>>>
>>>
>>> > ICANN's ERC (Evolution and Reform Cmt.) has asked for assistance from
>>> > members of the At-Large Organizing Committee in filling in the details of
>>> > the Blue Print for Reform and the Board's subsequent Bucharest Resolution
>>> > (see 
>>> http://www.icann.org/committees/evol-reform/status-report-15jul02.htm
>>> > for more information).  Spcifically, the ERC has asked for our ideas on
>>>how
>>> > to structure an At-Large Advisory Committee (the ERC also will 
>>> continue to
>>> > solicit public input on all aspects of reform).  The Board's Bucharest
>>> > Resolution directs the ERC to "consider the creation of an At Large
>>>Advisory
>>> > Committee as a potential vehicle for informed participation in ICANN by
>>>the
>>> > broad user community" and the ERC has asked the ALOC to provide initial
>>> > suggestions on this by ***July 26*** and detailed recommendations by
>>>August
>>> > 16.  The ERC will then "take account of the input in making its
>>> > recommendations to the Board and the ICANN community."
>>> >
>>> > ***Please let me know by Monday morning, July 22 (PDT) if you are
>>>available
>>> > to work on this via email (phone if needed) next week.***
>>> >
>>> > Thanks.
>>> > Denise
>>> >
>>> > Denise Michel
>>> > denisemichel at sbcglobal.net
>>> > 408.867.1986
>>> > 775.521.0778 (fax)
>>> >
>>> > PS.  This aggressive schedule is necessitated by ICANN's timeline: "The
>>>ERC
>>> > currently intends to provide a first Interim Implementation Report to the
>>> > community on or about 1 August 2002, and another such Interim
>>>Implementation
>>> > Report on or about 1 September 2002. A final set of ERC Implementation
>>> > Recommendations will be posted on or about 1 October 2002. The Interim
>>> > Implementation reports will set forth the ERC's then-current approach to
>>> > implementation details, and will invite community comment on the matters
>>> > discussed, probably generally following the format of the various ERC
>>> > Working Papers that led up to the Blueprint for Reform."  Final decisions
>>>by
>>> > the Board are expected at the  Shanghai meeting 27-31 October 2002.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 05:16 PM 7/24/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>The circulating outline is not a report, simply a starting point.  The ERC
>>has given me a "reprieve." I will not be submitting anything Friday, but
>>rather working towards the Aug. 16 deadline.
>>
>>FYI - The ERC decided to follow its previous format in requesting assistance
>>on an ALAC (asking a person or small group to provide recommendations; see
>>bottom of
>>http://www.icann.org/committees/evol-reform/status-report-15jul02.htm).  The
>>ERC announced that they asked Esther and I to form a small group to make
>>recommendations on implementation of an ALAC and accepted the list of ALOC
>>members that had volunteered by Monday morning (previous email below) (ERC
>>announcement at
>>http://www.icann.org/committees/evol-reform/status-report-24jul02.htm.)  As
>>I understand it, this approach of seeking specific recommendations from
>>small ad hoc groups -- in addition to soliciting broad public input -- is a
>>way to help ensure that the work and discussion is focused and move towards
>>a conclusion that can be considered by the public and the Board at the
>>Shanghi meeting in October.
>>
>>Input of all ALOC members will continue to be solicited in our effort to
>>craft the most effective recommendations on an ALAC.
>>
>>Denise
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Denise Michel" <denisemichel at sbcglobal.net>
>>To: "Vittorio Bertola" <vb at vitaminic.net>; "Veni Markovski"
>><icannatlarge at isoc.bg>; "Tommi Karttaavi" <tommi.karttaavi at iki.fi>; "Sotiris
>>Sotiropoulos" <sotiris at hermesnetwork.com>; "Satyajit Gupta"
>><icheckemail at indiatimes.com>; "Rick Hauptman" <RBHauptman at aol.com>;
>>"Ramboasalama Haja" <ramboa at ird.mg>; "Ramayya Krishnan"
>><rk2x at andrew.cmu.edu>; "Peter Shane" <pshane at andrew.cmu.edu>; "Nuria de la
>>Fuente Teixidó" <ateneas at retemail.es>; "Na. Vijayashankar" <naavi at vsnl.com>;
>>"Izumi Aizu" <izumi at anr.org>; "Hans Klein"
>><hans.klein at pubpolicy.gatech.edu>; "Gonzalo Auza"
>><gonzalo at juandegaray.org.ar>; "Gabriel Piñeiro" <legales at derecho.org.ar>;
>>"Esther Dyson" <edyson at edventure.com>; "Edmundo Valenti"
>><emv at southtech.com.ar>; "Denise Michel" <denisemichel at sbcglobal.net>;
>><Christian.Ahlert at sowi.uni-giessen.de>; "Andy Oram" <andyo at oreilly.com>;
>>"Andriamparany Marius" <marius at refer.mg>; "MOSCOWITZ Alain"
>><Alain.MOSCOWITZ at totalfinaelf.com>; "Jakobsen Tom (E-mail)"
>><JacobsenTom at acm.org>
>>Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:49 AM
>>Subject: Re: Urgent input needed for ERC on At-Large ***please respond by
>>Monday morning***
>>
>>
>> > Thanks for your responses.  Here are the volunteers I've received for the
>> > assistance group on the proposed At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC):
>> >
>> > Gabriel Piñeiro, , legales at derecho.org.ar (LatinoamerICANN)
>> > Tommi Karttaavi, tommi.karttaavi at iki.fi (ISOC Finland)
>> > Esther Dyson, edyson at edventure.com (former ALSC member - ICANN At-Large
>> > Study Committee)
>> > Peter M. Shane, pshane at andrew.cmu.edu (InSITeS - Institute for the Study
>>of
>> > Information Technology and Society)
>> > Núria de la Fuente Teixidó, ateneas at retemail.es (STEC - Sistemas Técnicos
>>de
>> > Enseñanza Consultores)
>> > Edmundo Valenti, emv at southtech.com.ar (Internet Society Argentina Chapter)
>> > Vittorio Bertola, vb at vitaminic.net (ISOC Italy)
>> > Izumi Aizu, izumi at anr.org (former NAIS member - NGO and Academic ICANN
>> > Study)
>> > Denise Michel, coordinator at at-large.org (coordinator, at-large organizing)
>> >
>>
>>
>>Original Message -----
>>From: "Hans Klein" <hans.klein at pubpolicy.gatech.edu>
>>To: <aloc at at-large.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 3:27 PM
>>Subject: [aloc] Report to ERC?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > It seems that we are achieving consensus on our report to the ALOC.  I
>>hope
>> > to give one more review to the document.
>> >
>> > Also, an addition recommended by Peter Shane still needs to be
>>incorporated.
>> >
>> > Will we submit something to the ERC tomorrow?  If so, everybody should
>> > review the report.
>> >
>> > Hans
>> >
>> > (P.S. In answer to Nuria's earlier inquiry, version 1.0 of the report was
>> > simply the first draft circulated by Denise.  It did not bear any version
>> > number, but the next draft was called "2.0")
>> >