Who is keeping scores? Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] About Marketing Practices in .ORG

[Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales]

Barbara:

Barbara Simons wrote:

> Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
> 
> > The mission of the AdCom is administrative only.  The AdCom
> > organize the votations, organize the documents, collection of membership
> > fees and donations, open discussions...But don't take as excuse
> > that I belong to the AdCom to block me for express my point of views
> > and to document them.
> 
> Surely you are not serious about having your views blocked!
> You probably spoke as much at the meeting in Marina del Rey
> as the rest of the constituency combined - frequently by arguing
> with the attendees or appearing not to understand a point that
> everyone else understood.  
Barbara...because I understood many points, I made my comments.   
If other's wasn't agree with my comments, then is this a sin????
Please, stop to misinforming people that wasn't in the meeting.

> Furthermore, as a member of the
> AdCom, you have additional platforms for expressing your opinions
> that the rest of us lack.  
No!! false.  Everyone has the same opportunity to express their opinions
in the same
way.  If you don't want to use your right, this is your problem I was
treated as any
other member and my time was the same and my chances was the same as
others.  And I
had the same limit of time as others when it was about discuss
resolution proposals.  
And I am the first that I recognize that every member has the same
chance and equality
treatment.

> Finally, if the AdCom is administrative only,
> can you please explain how it is that you get to vote in certain situations
> where the rest of us are unable to vote.

The members that attended the f2f meeting decided in a very specific
situation that
a group of five people that is named AdCom voted.   If the members had
decided
to vote themselves, then this is their right...Right that they used to
assing in this
very specific situation to the AdCom the right of decision.  In any
case, the members of the NCDNHC
decided all of this...not me, not the AdCom.  
 
> The fact is that the only leadership that this constituency has are
> the elected members of the AdCom.  That's why we hold elections.
> You are one of the leaders, and one of the responsibilities of a
> democratically elected leader is to reflect the wishes of those being
> represented when those views have been voted upon, as they were
> in Marina del Rey (and may be again via email). 

You are confusing my role as an AdCom member with my role as a Names
Council member.
My role as a Names Council member is what you said above and I always
has reflected
the wishes of the NCDNHC in the Names Council.  

My role as an AdCom member is administrative only.  You are confusing
roles.  The leadership role is to be done
in the Names Council.  The Adminsitrative Commitee was made to have a
commitee that
organize the activities of the NCDNHC, not much, not less.  Please, read
the NCDNHC charter.  


> Of course if the ncdnhc
> holds an opinion with which you have major disagreements, you always
> have the option of resigning - rather than being put in a position of having
> to cast a vote that would compromise your beliefs.

Barbara, what a lack of respect against me and the organization I
represent!!!

Everybody has the inherent right to express their point of views. 
Online voting
hasn't taken place yet.  The NCDNHC are 184 members, in the face to face
meeting
there were only 28.  I have the right to express oposition with voice
and vote.
And until the voting period begins, every single member making a total
of 184 
members have the right to express their voice regarding any subject that
is
being held for discussion.  If you want to prevent to SDNP/Panama, as a
member of the NCDNHC, 
that its voice be hear, then you are taken away the inherent rights of
every single member
of the NCDNHC to have a voice even if such voice is to opose other
voices...This is our
right as members.   

Of course, once the members voted online and resuls are published, then
all members has the mission
to act according such wishes regarding the NCDNHC and ICANN.  And this
includes me.

> By the way, I would hope that *all* of the adcom members would
> strive to reduce the acrimony and volume of email that seems to be
> a characteristic of our group.  
> There is a good reason that professional
> politicians are very polite (usually) to each other, to the point of using
> positive adjectives such as "esteemed" when referring to one another.

Thanks G'd I hasn't used negative adjectives neither has insulted
anyone.  But I saw others adopting
negative actitudes as yours against my rights, as Milton saying that he
will
"ignore" APC comments, etc.
Are we politicians or are we activist?  Politicians in this side of the
world has a very bad name and I avoid as
much as possible to use the word "politics".

> They may hate each other, but they know that they still need to work
> together. 
Barbara, it is my feeling that all members of AdCom has good personal
relationship
amongst them, regardless our views and positions inside the NCDNHC.  Of
course, if there
is anyone who has any negative personal feeling against me, it is
invited to write me
in private so at least I know with who I am facing, and probably if we
talk we arrange any
misunderstanding, if there is any.   But thank G'd that Dany, YJ,
Milton, Thierry and I
appreaciates between one each other in a personal level, and when there
is f2f meeting, we sit, we
organize, etc...We do our job as AdCom.  Also, in my own experience,
also I have always felt that there is a good interaction
of the NCDNHC members with feelings of goodwill and good faith amongst
all of us, and I hope that always such
relations improove, regardless of our views.  That's the beauty of
interpersonal relationships:  you can disagree with other people, or
other people can disagree with you, but the personal relationships are
always good :-)

> My hope is that it's not too late for the members of the
> AdCom committee to start behaving like the dignified leaders that we
> would like you all to be.

Please, document when we hasn't done our job.  If not there's no reason
to accuse the AdCom to not accomplish our job.

> [snip]
> 
> > So the vote will be a matter of conscience.
> 
> Does that mean that you intend to ignore the expressed wishes of
> the constituency when you vote on this issue?

Barbara, Barbara...how convenient from you to "snip" my comments.  So
you just highlight what you wish without analizing this frase together
with the previous paragraph.

I am talking about the online voting that the AdCom has to organize for
the 
NCDNHC members to vote on all resolutions.  The vote of every NCDNHC
member
will be a matter of conscience.   

Why I have to repeat you what I have being saying during several days
and clarifying again to you and to all members
that my vote in the Names Council (when the Names Council votes) will be
according to the official results of the 
online voting of NCDNHC???

Best Regards
Vany

And...Happy New Year to all!!!!


-- 
Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales, BSEE
Information Technology Specialist
Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
Member of the ICANN's DNSO Non-Commercial Constituency
Tel: (507) 317-0169
http://www.sdnp.org.pa
e-mail:  vany at sdnp.org.pa

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