[ncdnhc-discuss] Re: About Alternative Naming Scheme: (was before Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] Re: Why is "Marketing ccTLDs as generics"on NC Agenda?)

[Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law]

I did read the messages, but I'm still confused.

What is the outcome you desire? 


On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:

> Hi Jonathan and Dave:
> 
> The information I described in my previus e-mail I took it from New.net
> home page, except for the masquerading part.
> 
> The ISP has to upgrade their networks.  What they call upgrade their
> networks is simply add some lines to the a file named resolv.conf if the
> ISP is using linux.
> 
> If the ISP provided of an internet user still doesn't resolv new.net
> domain names, then they have to install a software or provided by
> new.net.
> 
> Again, New.net (and also other companies that are doing the same as
> New.net), are not Alternate Roots...because the Root they are using
> actual DNS structure in order to offer TLDs.   
> 
> That New.net could be an innciative for expanding the domain name
> space...maybe yes (maybe not)...but never an alternate root.
> 
> If you have read the answer I gave to Bill, the item 8 of the NC
> teleconference agenda will become in "TLDs not created by ICAAN:  An
> attempt to expand the domain name space or creates confusion".
> 
> Did you read the e-mail I sent today about the concerns I raised in the
> NC two moths ago?
> 
> http://www.icann-ncc.org/pipermail/discuss/2001-October/000342.html
> 
> Best Regards
> Vany
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Weinberg wrote:
> > 
> > At 12:26 PM 10/4/2001 -0700, Vany Martinez wrote:
> > >Jonathan:
> > >I have never asked to talk about Alternate Roots.
> > >Again this was another confusion from who draft the
> > >agenda.
> > >Let call with proper names the things:
> > >1.  An Alternate Root involves a server independent
> > >from the actual roots that is resolving TLDs (.TRAVEL,
> > >.GAME, .KIDS, etc, for example) different than the
> > >ones created by ICANN, without using any technology of
> > >masquerading an existent domain name within the actual
> > >existent TLDs (.COM, .ORG, etc...).
> > >2. The subject I am addressing is not Alternate Roots.
> > >The subject I am addresing is the launching of
> > >services as New.net and other Companies that uses and
> > >masquerades actual domain names inside TLDs as .ORG,
> > >COM, etc...in order to provide domain names inside
> > >TLDs as .TRAVEL, .GAME, .KIDS, etc... If New.net want
> > >to call themselves an Alternate Root, then is a bad
> > >definition because they are functioning under the
> > >actual Roots, maquerading existent domain names as we
> > >know them to provide new TLDs, etc...And, such TLDs
> > >are not resolved by everybody...only those who has the
> > >software they download or the ISP has upgraded their
> > >networks by adding some lines to their DNS
> > >configuration, are the ones that are able to resolve
> > >such domain names.
> > [snip]
> > 
> >          Actually, I think this misdescribes new.net.  Yes, they offer
> > users a plugin that maps aaa.bbb to aaa.bbb.new.net. 
> > But it doesn't appear
> > that the ISPs who partner with them are using that technique; rather,
> > they're simply pointing to a set of new.net alternate root servers.  See
> > <http://www.new.net/help_isp_info.tp>, which indicates that an ISP can
> > resolve new.net names by (among other things) replacing its root.cache file
> > with one that points to the new.net root servers.  So they are using *both*
> > of the two technologies you describe above.  And fwiw I think the questions
> > you raise about them (relating, among other things, to the possibility of
> > conflicts and the fact that the names do not universally resolve) apply no
> > more strongly to them than to any other alternate root.
> > 
> > Jon
> > 
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