[ncdnhc-discuss] Yes, there is certainly a huge vacuum at ICANN.

[Jim Fleming]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Mueller" <mueller at syr.edu>

> Lynn: Not seeing as much from the DNSO as it would like. Policy vacuum
filled by top-down management.
>

Yes, there is certainly a huge vacuum at ICANN. Most people see
it as the vacuum that sucks up their money, and fails to perform.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Fleming" <jfleming at anet.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:06 AM
Subject: Fw: 0:212 [00D4] - .BIZ - Moving Beyond the Proof-of-Concept Phase


> What role does the ICANN Names Council play in helping these
> IPv4 .BIZ Registries get their act together ? People just want names
> to work. This is not rocket science. From what I can tell, the Names
> Council is more concerned about arranging their dinner engagements
> than getting registries to work. Yes, you all might learn the
"ICANN-smirk",
> and blow all of this off, but I doubt that the .BIZ Community will. You
> are all facing millions of .BIZ owners, who will hold all of you
> accountable.
> Yes, people see your proxy games, and your cute banter about process
> and procedure, but what people really want are working registries and
> servers.
>
> I think people are very tired of your games and lack of performance.
> I can excuse the non-U.S. citizens, many of them appear to be in this
> for the good times, and the excercise in world governance. They are
> not accountable, they return to their countries, away from the reach of
> U.S. laws, For the Americans in your ranks, in my opinion, you should
> be ashamed of your lack of performance and attention to the simple task
> of getting some registries to work.
>
>
> Where are the 50,000+ .BIZ names ?
> Why don't the forms at Registry #1 work ?
>
> Both of the IPv4 .BIZ Proof-of-Concept Registries have long histories.
> http://www.dot-biz.com/IPv4/Registry1
> http://www.dot-biz.com/IPv4/Registry2
> The 2002 IPv8 .BIZ Registries will likely emerge from these experiments.
>
> Jim Fleming
> Why Gamble on a .BIZ Lottery? Start a Real .BIZ Today !
> http://www.DOT-BIZ.com
> 0:212 - BIZ World
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Fleming" <jfleming at anet.com>
> To: ""Juan Luis Baptiste M."" <jbaptiste at merlinux.org>; <
> quaynor at ghana.com>; <andy at ccc.de>; "Bradley D. Thornton"
> <bthornton at jointtech.com>; <cbildt at atlargestudy.org>;
<cgomes at verisign.com>;
> "Charles Daminato" <chuck at tucows.com>; "Chris Chiu" <CCHIU at aclu.org>;
> <council at dnso.org>; <DannyYounger at cs.com>; "Dave Crocker"
> <dhc2 at dcrocker.net>; <david at new.net>; <discuss at ador-doc.org>;
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J.
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> Cc: <swilliams at ntia.doc.gov>; <mwallach at ntia.doc.gov>;
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> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 11:35 PM
> Subject: 0:212 [00D4] - .BIZ - Moving Beyond the Proof-of-Concept Phase
>
>
> > 0:212 [00D4] - .BIZ - Moving Beyond the Proof-of-Concept Phase
> >
> > In my opinion, with all of the people involved in the IPv4 .BIZ
> > Proof-of-Concept tests,
> > it should be possible to work out how the .BIZ Registries and Servers
will
> > be configured.
> > It should not take thousands of people to do that. If people read about
> the
> > history of the
> > IPv8 approach to Internet Governance, they will see that it is largely
> based
> > on the two-party
> > systems found in many places in the world. Here is how the leaders of
the
> > two parties
> > appear to line up. Surely, they can move .BIZ beyond the
Proof-of-Concept
> > Phase. The
> > world just wants names to work....."as in NetWork, as opposed to
NotWork",
> > to borrow
> > a quote from Karl Denninger, one of the original supporters of .BIZ.
> >
> > http://register.icann.org/attendees.php
> >
> > > ------- 0:212 [00D4] - .BIZ ---------
> > > Dave Crocker
> > > Erc Brunner-Williams
> > > Bill Manning
> > > Barbara  Blackwell
> > > James Casey
> > > Jeff Neuman
> > > Eva Froelich
> > > Vint Cerf
> > > ---------------------------------------
> >
> > > ------- 0:212 [00D4] - .BIZ ---------
> > > Leah Gallegos
> > > William X Walsh
> > > Bradley Thornton
> > > Joanna Lane
> > > Danny Younger
> > > Karl E. Peters
> > > Peter de Blanc
> > > Joop Teernstra
> > > ---------------------------------------
> >
> > .BIZ....7 years and growing....will it continue to act like an 8 year
old
> ?
> >
> > Jim Fleming
> > http://www.DOT-BIZ.com
> > http://www.Register-BIZ.com
> > http://www.BIZ-Registry.com
> >
> >
>