[NCUC E-team] E-team Digest, Vol 33, Issue 1
Maryam Bakoshi
maryam.bakoshi at icann.org
Wed Nov 4 12:06:00 CET 2015
Hi Tapani,
On a different topic, I noticed that emails from this mailing list (e-team) does not get to me until a day later.
Please can you help check my settings?
Many thanks,
Maryam Bakoshi
Secretariat Support - NCSG, NCUC & NPOC
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
E: Maryam.bakoshi at icann.org
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T: +44 7737698036
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Mailing list problems, OS upgrade (Tapani Tarvainen)
> 2. Re: Mailing list problems, OS upgrade (Milan, Stefania)
> 3. Re: Mailing list problems, OS upgrade (Tapani Tarvainen)
> 4. Re: Mailing list problems, OS upgrade (Tapani Tarvainen)
> 5. Re: Mailing list problems, OS upgrade (James Gannon)
> 6. Re: Mailing list problems, OS upgrade (Brenden Kuerbis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:36:09 +0200
> From: Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>
> To: e-team at lists.ncuc.org
> Subject: [NCUC E-team] Mailing list problems, OS upgrade
> Message-ID: <20151103133609.GK3814 at tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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> Dear all,
>
> You may have noticed Bill's problems with ncuc-discuss list.
>
> The reason was easy enough to find in logs:
>
> "550-5.7.1 Unauthenticated email from yahoo.com is not accepted due to
> domain's 550-5.7.1 DMARC policy. Please contact administrator of
> yahoo.com domain if 550-5.7.1 this was a legitimate mail. Please visit
> 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690 to learn
> about DMARC 550 5.7.1 initiative."
>
> For those who don't know about DMARC, what this means is that
> Yahoo has in effect deliberately broken traditional mailing
> lists by declaring that all mails with yahoo.com -addresses
> coming from anywhere but Yahoo's own servers are spam,
> and Google takes that at face value.
>
> That means that Yahoo users' messages to the list
> will not reach Google users.
>
> There's a workaround in recent versions of Mailman,
> but rather than upgrade just it, I think it'd be better
> to upgrade the entire operating system.
>
> It is normally a fairly easy process to go from one Ubuntu
> version to another, if all goes well it should not
> cause more than a few minutes interruption in the website,
> no mail should be lost, only possibly delayed a little,
> although it's always possible all doesn't go well.
>
> Given the geographical distribution of our membership
> there's no really good time for any downtime, so I'm
> planning to go ahead and do it a bit later tonight unless
> someone objects - I'd want it done before leaving to
> João Pessoa on Thursday.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:05:15 +0000
> From: "Milan, Stefania" <Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu>
> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>,
> "e-team at lists.ncuc.org" <e-team at lists.ncuc.org>
> Subject: Re: [NCUC E-team] Mailing list problems, OS upgrade
> Message-ID:
> <DB3PR05MB521074E7FCCFBDECA97D178F72B0 at DB3PR05MB521.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> thanks Tapani!
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> Da: e-team-bounces at lists.ncuc.org <e-team-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> per conto di Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>
> Inviato: martedì 3 novembre 2015 14.36
> A: e-team at lists.ncuc.org
> Oggetto: [NCUC E-team] Mailing list problems, OS upgrade
>
> Dear all,
>
> You may have noticed Bill's problems with ncuc-discuss list.
>
> The reason was easy enough to find in logs:
>
> "550-5.7.1 Unauthenticated email from yahoo.com is not accepted due to
> domain's 550-5.7.1 DMARC policy. Please contact administrator of
> yahoo.com domain if 550-5.7.1 this was a legitimate mail. Please visit
> 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690 to learn
> about DMARC 550 5.7.1 initiative."
>
> For those who don't know about DMARC, what this means is that
> Yahoo has in effect deliberately broken traditional mailing
> lists by declaring that all mails with yahoo.com -addresses
> coming from anywhere but Yahoo's own servers are spam,
> and Google takes that at face value.
>
> That means that Yahoo users' messages to the list
> will not reach Google users.
>
> There's a workaround in recent versions of Mailman,
> but rather than upgrade just it, I think it'd be better
> to upgrade the entire operating system.
>
> It is normally a fairly easy process to go from one Ubuntu
> version to another, if all goes well it should not
> cause more than a few minutes interruption in the website,
> no mail should be lost, only possibly delayed a little,
> although it's always possible all doesn't go well.
>
> Given the geographical distribution of our membership
> there's no really good time for any downtime, so I'm
> planning to go ahead and do it a bit later tonight unless
> someone objects - I'd want it done before leaving to
> João Pessoa on Thursday.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:11:42 +0200
> From: Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>
> To: e-team at lists.ncuc.org
> Subject: Re: [NCUC E-team] Mailing list problems, OS upgrade
> Message-ID: <20151103181142.GA30397 at tarvainen.info>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>> On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 03:36:09PM +0200, Tapani Tarvainen (ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info) wrote:
>>
>> I think it'd be better to upgrade the entire operating system.
>
>> I'm planning to go ahead and do it a bit later tonight unless
>> someone objects
>
> Seeing no objections and goahead from Stefi, I upgraded the
> OS to 14.04 "Trusty" and Mailman specifically to 2.1.20-1.
>
> Then I set DMARC setting on all lists to "munge-from":
> the effect is that people mailing from yahoo (or others
> with similar DMARC policy) will have their from-address
> changed - side-effect is that reply to sender (instead
> of list) does not work.
>
> Please let me know if you notice something broken.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:36:24 +0200
> From: Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>
> To: e-team at lists.ncuc.org
> Subject: Re: [NCUC E-team] Mailing list problems, OS upgrade
> Message-ID: <20151103193624.GC3557 at tarvainen.info>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>> On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 08:11:42PM +0200, Tapani Tarvainen (ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info) wrote:
>>
>> Please let me know if you notice something broken.
>
> ... just wondering if it's just coincidental that nobody's
> sent anything to any of the lists I'm on or did I break 'em...
> does anyone get this?
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:38:54 +0000
> From: James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>,
> "e-team at lists.ncuc.org" <e-team at lists.ncuc.org>
> Subject: Re: [NCUC E-team] Mailing list problems, OS upgrade
> Message-ID: <008E6390-04B4-45C7-B68A-B2AB38B2CD58 at cyberinvasion.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Nope :P
>
>
>
>
>> On 03/11/2015, 7:36 p.m., "E-team on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen" <e-team-bounces at lists.ncuc.org on behalf of ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 08:11:42PM +0200, Tapani Tarvainen (ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info) wrote:
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you notice something broken.
>>
>> ... just wondering if it's just coincidental that nobody's
>> sent anything to any of the lists I'm on or did I break 'em...
>> does anyone get this?
>>
>> --
>> Tapani Tarvainen
>> _______________________________________________
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>> E-team at lists.ncuc.org
>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/e-team
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:39:29 -0500
> From: Brenden Kuerbis <bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org>
> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>, e-team NCUC
> <e-team at lists.ncuc.org>
> Subject: Re: [NCUC E-team] Mailing list problems, OS upgrade
> Message-ID:
> <CANwsP3AjhzQw7qZDp0y2Then1ynC0Gbs7x2gxOTGeQw-caoGVQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> All's well.
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Brenden Kuerbis
> Internet Governance Project
> http://internetgovernance.org
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info
>> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 08:11:42PM +0200, Tapani Tarvainen (
>> ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info) wrote:
>>
>>> Please let me know if you notice something broken.
>>
>> ... just wondering if it's just coincidental that nobody's
>> sent anything to any of the lists I'm on or did I break 'em...
>> does anyone get this?
>>
>> --
>> Tapani Tarvainen
>> _______________________________________________
>> E-team mailing list
>> E-team at lists.ncuc.org
>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/e-team
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