[NCUC E-team] Mailing lists

Tue Jan 22 17:34:12 CET 2013

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

>
>
> I figure it is not for us to figure out the names of NPOC lists.
>
>
Of course not, just an example.

> i am not in favor of discuss at ncuc as i think that is partial duplication
> of ncsg-discuss.  i stil think we need the ncsg-discuss list as the primary
> general discussions list.
>

Agree with that sentiment.

> how about: members at ncuc for all the administrative and general
> discussions - the list for subsidiarity stuff
>

Ok, so to put in a document to circulate with NCUC:

The NCUC maintains a "members" list (e.g., members at ncuc.org) for general,
administrative discussion.  This list is closed to Constituency members
only, but is publicly archived (?).

The Stakeholder Group maintains a "discussion" list (e.g., discuss at ncuc.org)
for policy deliberation by NCSG members.  This list is closed to members of
NCSG Constituencies (NCUC, NPOC, etc.), but is publicly archived.

>
> I would also like to talk about a policy at ncuc for any ncuc person, member
> or member of member, who wants to participate in crafting drafts of
> comments and responses.
>

IMO, a catch all like that just introduces confusion.  Do I read
discuss at nscg or policy at ncuc?

I'd rather have policy discussion take place on discuss at ncsg and
collaboration (either at the Constituency or SG level) on an instance of
comment/response take place on a browser-based platform designed drafting a
document (e.g., maybe a wordpress plugin like digress.it) but with all the
bells and whistles like integration of user accounts with a master
membership registry, searchable, archived, etc.

>
> i like the idea of announce list for every group who has separate
> announcements - send only lists except for coordinators etc..
>

I'm unclear what you're saying. You're support 1 (e.g.,
announce at nc.icann.org) or 3 (e.g., announce at ncuc.org, announce at npoc.org,
announce at ncsg.org) lists? If the later, why separate lists?

-- B

>
> avri
>
>
> On 22 Jan 2013, at 09:46, Brenden Kuerbis wrote:
>
> > I agree a multiplicity of lists would be unfortunate.  We should
> consolidate where we can.
> >
> > What if we had:
> >
> > discuss at ncsg (for members of NCSG)
> > discuss at ncuc.org (for members of NCUC)
> > discuss at npoc.org (for members of NPOC)
> > etc.
> >
> > and
> >
> > announce at ncsg.icann.org
> >
> > to which officers of the stakeholder group and all constituencies can
> post election announcements, position statements, calls for support, etc.?
>  This would give the entire SG some visibility into the activity of the
> constituencies (a good thing) without overwhelming.
> >
> > B
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Yeah we discussed it, but the discussion never settled on a decsion.
> >
> > Plus last time, the discussion was for NCSG notices and discuss.
> >
> > With the resurgence of  constituencism in the SG, i.e. the victory of
> the CSG old model, something I for one was hoping would not happen, we now
> face the world of  having -notice and -discuss for both NCUC and NCSG,
> which I would find unfortunate.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > On 22 Jan 2013, at 02:17, Joly MacFie wrote:
> >
> > > I think we might have discussed this before as I am having deja vu.
> > >
> > > But yes there should be one announce 'notices' list and one discuss
> 'talk' list
> > >
> > > The first should be mandatory for NCUC members, the second optional.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Tapani Tarvainen
> > > <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> > >> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 09:46:13PM -0500, Joly MacFie (
> joly at punkcast.com) wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> If it will be on lists.ncuc.org or preferably @ncuc.org as the
> domain,
> > >>> do we need ncuc on the left of the @?
> > >>
> > >> Not really. The point in that, as well as using -discuss
> > >> in the name, would be to suggest continuity with history
> > >> (no big deal, I expect "discuss at ncuc.org" would be
> > >> nicknamed "ncuc discuss" anyway at least in speech).
> > >>
> > >>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> If we want it to be complementary to NCSG-Discuss, I recommend we
> > >>>> not use - DISCUSS, as that makes it seem a replacement.
> > >>
> > >> Well, it will replace part of NCSG-DISCUSS, and at least Bill
> > >> wanted to preserve the history by importing the archives of
> > >> old NCUC-DISCUSS/NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS/NCSG-DISCUSS to it, too.
> > >>
> > >> Which part of NCSG-DISCUSS it will replace remains to be seen;
> > >> it could be seen as complementary even with -discuss name,
> > >> in the sense that it'd take over NCUC-specific discussions.
> > >> If we want to limit it to only utilitarian stuff and keep
> > >> all, even NCUC-specific, policy debates in NCSG-DISCUSS,
> > >> then another name would be better.
> > >>
> > >> The name choice would no doubt have some effect on it, as a
> > >> hint of what we think should go there, although I doubt it
> > >> would matter much in the end, these things tend to live
> > >> their own life.
> > >>
> > >>>> How about something utilitarian like NCUC-Work
> > >>
> > >> Why not.
> > >>
> > >> But it occurs to me it might be useful to create _two_
> > >> new lists: besides -work/-discuss/whatever, also
> > >> NCUC-ANNOUNCE or something like that, where (at least almost)
> > >> all members would be subscribed but posting privileges limited
> > >> to select few (like the EC) and volume kept very low -
> > >> just announcements of elections &c, but no discussions
> > >> (even Reply-To: could go to the work list).
> > >>
> > >> For I'm quite sure the volume of the work list, whatever
> > >> the name, will drive some members away pretty soon, and
> > >> it would be useful to be able to reach them anyway.
> > >>
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