<div dir="ltr"><div>I'd go with the latter as well - and fully contemplated by the wording you have to Juan's question, one that I also agree is fundamental.</div><div><br></div><div>Cordially,</div><div><br></div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><b>Pedro de Perdigão Lana</b><br></font></font></span><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.nic.br/" target="_blank">Lawyer</a>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" target="_blank">GEDAI/UFPR</a> Researcher</font></font></span></font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)</font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">Coordination/Board/EC @</font></font></span><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><a href="https://isoc.org.br/" target="_blank">ISOC BR</a></span></font><font size="1"><font size="2">,</font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font><font size="2"><a href="https://www.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC</a> & <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Home" target="_blank">NCSG </a>(ICANN), <a href="https://youthlacigf.lat/" target="_blank">YouthLACIGF</a>,</font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> <a href="https://ioda.org.br/" target="_blank">IODA</a> and </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/" target="_blank">CC Brasil</a></font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><br></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></div><div><font size="1"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif">This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received by mistake, please reply informing it.</span></font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em seg., 28 de out. de 2024 às 07:08, Johan Helsingius via NCUC-EC <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I made a first attempt at reformulating the issue to focus ion the<br>
Pilot Holistic review. Feel free to edit.<br>
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<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ebLmTXpm-eGeVSUzmt7HD5t7vDgcRT26S3Sj4lkYKtM/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ebLmTXpm-eGeVSUzmt7HD5t7vDgcRT26S3Sj4lkYKtM/edit</a><br>
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Julf<br>
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On 28/10/2024 09:38, Johan Helsingius wrote:<br>
> I agree it is important, but at this point the Board is taking the<br>
> position "we are happy to fix the nomcom seat issue as soon as you<br>
> have community support (so more than 50%) for it".<br>
> <br>
> The Pilot Holistic Review issue is one I am happy to raise. Do<br>
> we do it in the Day Zero meeting with the board (where they have<br>
> told us they won't address any policy issues) or in the public<br>
> meeting with the Board? I suggests the latter.<br>
> <br>
> Julf<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 23/10/2024 16:13, Juan Manuel Rojas wrote:<br>
>> Dear Julf,<br>
>><br>
>> I believe it’s important to address the issue of NomCom rebalancing <br>
>> from the perspective of the NCSG, particularly NPOC, and the lack of a <br>
>> Non-Commercial viewpoint in the Pilot Holistic Review. Unfortunately, <br>
>> no one from our side has been selected as a "member," and we are <br>
>> limited to participating as "observers." This imbalance could further <br>
>> skew the outcomes of the review, as it overlooks crucial <br>
>> representation from the Non-Commercial sector. As we know, NomCom <br>
>> rebalancing is a concern that affects the entire ICANN community, and <br>
>> it’s essential that we ensure fair input from all sides.<br>
>><br>
>> Best regards,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS, M.Sc.*<br>
>> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia<br>
>> NPOC Chair - NCSG/GNSO<br>
>> M.Sc. Information Technology<br>
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>> El sábado, 19 de octubre de 2024, 05:09:14 a.m. GMT-5, Johan <br>
>> Helsingius <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a>> escribió:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The Board is asking Mason and me to meet with and present to the<br>
>> Board in their workshop session on Friday before ICANN81 proper.<br>
>><br>
>> I will have to represent all of NCSG, NCUC and NPOC (mason has<br>
>> an even harder job representing BC, ISPC and IPC), so I will need<br>
>> your help and input. Do you have basic presentations about your<br>
>> constituencies that we can use as a starting point?<br>
>><br>
>> An important part (and opportunity) is to present our most<br>
>> pressing current concerns.<br>
>><br>
>> Julf<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------<br>
>> Subject: Re: [Ext] RE: Day Zero Meeting with the Board<br>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2024 17:28:38 +0000<br>
>> From: Andrea Glandon <<a href="mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org" target="_blank">andrea.glandon@icann.org</a> <br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org" target="_blank">andrea.glandon@icann.org</a>>><br>
>> To: Cole, Mason (Perkins Coie) <<a href="mailto:MCole@perkinscoie.com" target="_blank">MCole@perkinscoie.com</a> <br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:MCole@perkinscoie.com" target="_blank">MCole@perkinscoie.com</a>>>, Johan<br>
>> Helsingius <julf@Julf.com <mailto:<a href="mailto:julf@Julf.com" target="_blank">julf@Julf.com</a>>><br>
>> CC: Brenda Brewer <<a href="mailto:brenda.brewer@icann.org" target="_blank">brenda.brewer@icann.org</a> <br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:brenda.brewer@icann.org" target="_blank">brenda.brewer@icann.org</a>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi Mason,<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you for your questions.<br>
>><br>
>> 1. The Board is welcoming the two of you in their workshop room which<br>
>> is limited in space and not made to be public. This is not a<br>
>> duplication of the bilateral meetings. This format is the same as<br>
>> other groups have had and will have.<br>
>> 2. If there is a question that cannot be answered by those in<br>
>> attendance, please hold this question for the bilateral meeting or<br>
>> send a formal email to the Board when ready.<br>
>><br>
>> Just a couple of other reminders. The session will be 90 minutes long.<br>
>> The suggested format would include a presentation by each chair focusing<br>
>> on the group’s role in ICANN’s ecosystem and how it fulfills this role.<br>
>> The presentation should allow time for a question-and-answer period to<br>
>> encourage interaction between the Board and the presenters.<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you!<br>
>><br>
>> Kind Regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Andrea<br>
>><br>
>> *From: *"Cole, Mason (Perkins Coie)" <<a href="mailto:MCole@perkinscoie.com" target="_blank">MCole@perkinscoie.com</a> <br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:MCole@perkinscoie.com" target="_blank">MCole@perkinscoie.com</a>>><br>
>> *Date: *Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 14:41<br>
>> *To: *Andrea Glandon <<a href="mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org" target="_blank">andrea.glandon@icann.org</a> <br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org" target="_blank">andrea.glandon@icann.org</a>>>, Johan Helsingius<br>
>> <julf@Julf.com <mailto:<a href="mailto:julf@Julf.com" target="_blank">julf@Julf.com</a>>><br>
>> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <<a href="mailto:brenda.brewer@icann.org" target="_blank">brenda.brewer@icann.org</a> <br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:brenda.brewer@icann.org" target="_blank">brenda.brewer@icann.org</a>>><br>
>> *Subject: *[Ext] RE: Day Zero Meeting with the Board<br>
>><br>
>> Andrea –<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for the notification. Two questions, however:<br>
>><br>
>> 1. Why the restricted access?<br>
>> 2. What if a question or subject comes up in our board interactions<br>
>> that would be best addressed by someone else in CSG or NCSG <br>
>> leadership?<br>
>><br>
>> Is there any clarification available?<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks –<br>
>><br>
>> Mason<br>
>><br>
>> *Mason Cole*<br>
>><br>
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>> *From:*Andrea Glandon <<a href="mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org" target="_blank">andrea.glandon@icann.org</a> <br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org" target="_blank">andrea.glandon@icann.org</a>>><br>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2024 9:45 AM<br>
>> *To:* Cole, Mason (POR) <<a href="mailto:MCole@perkinscoie.com" target="_blank">MCole@perkinscoie.com</a> <br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:MCole@perkinscoie.com" target="_blank">MCole@perkinscoie.com</a>>>; Johan Helsingius<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a>>><br>
>> *Cc:* Brenda Brewer <<a href="mailto:brenda.brewer@icann.org" target="_blank">brenda.brewer@icann.org</a> <br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:brenda.brewer@icann.org" target="_blank">brenda.brewer@icann.org</a>>><br>
>> *Subject:* Day Zero Meeting with the Board<br>
>><br>
>> Hello Gentlemen!<br>
>><br>
>> I am receiving more information about the meeting with the Board and<br>
>> wanted to pass it along. Only the two of you will be able to join the<br>
>> Board workshop room. Others will be able to join through a listen only <br>
>> Zoom.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks!<br>
>><br>
>> *Andrea Glandon*<br>
>><br>
>> Policy Operations Sr. Coordinator<br>
>><br>
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)<br>
>><br>
>> *Skype ID:*acglandon76<br>
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