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</div><div><div dir="ltr">Great. Benjamin has already been in touch with Kathy, so maybe tomorrow we can work out how best to proceed in a coordinated way.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jen</div>
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<div> </div><hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Pedro de Perdigão Lana <pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 22, 2024 16:14<br><b>To:</b> Ken Herman <ken@kherman.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Exec. Comm <ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ext] Re: [NCUC-EC] Agenda-ICANN80 NCUC Membership & Issue Forum<div> </div></font></div><div dir="ltr"><div>I think this is a great option, Ken! To better align with the proposal (if all other speakers come from registrars), I think I can reach out to Kathy to see if there is someone from a registrar who is more knowledgeable of intellectual property issues and has a perspective aligned with the one from NCSG. If we end up inviting people who are not from the registrar community, maybe we can speak about it ourselves.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Cordially,<br></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><b>Pedro de Perdigão Lana</b><br></font></span><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.nic.br/">Advogado - OAB/PR 90.600</a>, </font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2">Pesquisador (<a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/">GEDAI/UFPR</a>)</font></span></font></span></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2">Doutorando em Direito (UFPR), Mestre em Direito Empresarial (UCoimbra), </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2">Membro da Coordenação - <a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/">CC Brasil</a>, </font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://isoc.org.br/">ISOC BR</a></font></font></span> e <a href="https://ioda.org.br/">IODA </a></font></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1">Essa mensagem é restrita ao remetente e destinatário(s). Se recebida por engano, favor responder informando o erro.</font></span><br></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qua., 22 de mai. de 2024 às 16:26, Ken Herman <<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com">ken@kherman.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg2155772507073067390"><div lang="EN-US" style=""><div class="m_2155772507073067390WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thanks, Pedro. I was also hoping that we could agree on a plan given that we had kind of a framework. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Based on some communications I have seen today we appear to be moving towards an event that features a series of remarks around the theme of “Registrants Rights”, and within that context we no doubt have a lot of flexibility. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Personally, I think it would be interesting to hear from Registrars about how they approach various rights and responsibilities to protect registrants, whether it is regarding IP concerns or other matters, like dealing with RDRS requests, or securing registrants accounts or responding to issues regarding transfers. For me it’s about peering into the “black box’ of the registrars to better understand how they work, and also hearing their PoV on how registrants can do more to protect themselves.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">If we can agree on an approach like that, or any other, then we can move forward to identify the most appropriate speakers.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Ken <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium; border-style:solid none none; border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor; padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Pedro de Perdigão Lana <<a href="mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com">pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 22, 2024 11:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> Andrea Glandon <<a href="mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org">andrea.glandon@icann.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Ken Herman <<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com">ken@kherman.com</a>>; Exec. Comm <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ext] Re: [NCUC-EC] Agenda-ICANN80 NCUC Membership & Issue Forum<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I was waiting for a definition of the overall structure of the session, so we could see how to better insert our participation - our plan was to have a short presentation following the pattern of other speakers. As soon as we have some perspective on the subjects that will be addressed, I can come back to Kathy and see what specifically we could talk about that would be aligned with the content of other panelists. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Overall, the idea would be to talk about the mechanisms that exist to solve conflicts between IP and domain names, but we still need to see if we are going to talk about policies that registrars adopt to cooperate with IP complaints, if we are focusing on registrar relations with ICANN mechanisms such as the TMCH or the UDRP, etc<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cordially,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Garamond",serif">Pedro de Perdigão Lana</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Garamond",serif"><a href="https://www.nic.br/">Lawyer</a>, <a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/">GEDAI/UFPR</a> Researcher</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Garamond",serif">PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra) </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Garamond",serif">Board Member @ <a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/">CC Brasil</a>, <a href="https://isoc.org.br/">ISOC BR</a> and <a href="https://ioda.org.br/">IODA</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt; font-family:"Garamond",serif">This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received by mistake, please reply informing it.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Em qua., 22 de mai. de 2024 às 10:27, Andrea Glandon <<a href="mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org">andrea.glandon@icann.org</a>> escreveu:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt; border-style:none none none solid; border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204); padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hello all, </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">A description for this session as soon as possible would be great as well so I can get the schedule updated. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Kind Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Andrea</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium; border-style:solid none none; padding:3pt 0in 0in; border-color:currentcolor"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">From: </span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">NCUC-EC <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>> on behalf of Ken Herman <<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com">ken@kherman.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 08:18<br><b>To: </b>'Pedro de Perdigão Lana' <<a href="mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com">pedrodeperdigaolana@gmailcom</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"'Exec. Comm'" <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[Ext] Re: [NCUC-EC] Agenda-ICANN80 NCUC Membership & Issue Forum</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi Pedro. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Mili and I are working on finalizing a programme for the issue forum, and wanted to check with you on how things are going with an IP component. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I haven’t heard anything from Benjamin about connecting with the Registrars SG, but I can do that to see if we can muster some participation to speak about registrant security and protection, and I would really like to see if tere are any special issues that face registrants in the Africa region. Any thoughts you have would be most welcome.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">It’s a 90 minute session, so let’s coordinate.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Ken</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium; border-style:solid none none; padding:3pt 0in 0in; border-color:currentcolor"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Pedro de Perdigão Lana <<a href="mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com">pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 15, 2024 12:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ken Herman <<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com">ken@kherman.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Benjamin Akinmoyeje <<a href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com">benakin@gmail.com</a>>; Exec. Comm <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] Agenda-ICANN80 NCUC Membership & Issue Forum</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I like Ken's idea and the interesting ways we can build upon it - maybe a session centered on what has been done to protect registrants against external actors, through a few different perspectives? We could plan a session with one speaker who specializes in each one of these issues, and make it mostly about registrars' reactions.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">About the Intellectual Property overreach, me and Kathy (led by her, of course <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">🙂</span>) could talk a bit on the issue, considering how Rights Protection Mechanisms are related to registrars, but also the tools that a few of them have implemented to respond to IP infringement notices. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cordially,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Garamond",serif">Pedro de Perdigão Lana</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Garamond",serif"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.nicbr/__;!!PtGJab4!6UkeVede1vWy8gKJmNCR9eUYKM90-Xz3tj2ik_et4W2E_3A4NpBmZ9qCQijHfozWo7tjGtqDM3YDKZclY-jY3g$">Advogado - OAB/PR 90.600 [nic.br]</a>, Pesquisador (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.gedai.com.br/__;!!PtGJab4!6UkeVede1vWy8gKJmNCR9eUYKM90-Xz3tj2ik_et4W2E_3A4NpBmZ9qCQijHfozWo7tjGtqDM3YDKZdMpjgHdQ$">GEDAI/UFPR [gedai.com.br]</a>)</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Garamond",serif">Doutorando em Direito (UFPR), Mestre em Direito Empresarial (UCoimbra), </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Garamond",serif">Membro da Coordenação - <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/br.creativecommons.net/__;!!PtGJab4!6UkeVede1vWy8gKJmNCR9eUYKM90-Xz3tj2ik_et4W2E_3A4NpBmZ9qCQijHfozWo7tjGtqDM3YDKZdQxE60Qw$">CC Brasil [br.creativecommons.net]</a>, <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/isoc.org.br/__;!!PtGJab4!6UkeVede1vWy8gKJmNCR9eUYKM90-Xz3tj2ik_et4W2E_3A4NpBmZ9qCQijHfozWo7tjGtqDM3YDKZcG0-qVBw$">ISOC BR [isoc.org.br]</a> e <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/ioda.org.br/__;!!PtGJab4!6UkeVede1vWy8gKJmNCR9eUYKM90-Xz3tj2ik_et4W2E_3A4NpBmZ9qCQijHfozWo7tjGtqDM3YDKZedmXj4Mw$">IODA [ioda.org.br]</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt; font-family:"Garamond",serif">Essa mensagem é restrita ao remetente e destinatário(s). Se recebida por engano, favor responder informando o erro.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Em ter., 14 de mai. de 2024 às 18:47, Ken Herman <<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com">ken@kherman.com</a>> escreveu:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt; border-style:none none none solid; padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt; border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thanks for listing some ideas. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">It occurs to me that some of these issues – DNS Abuse, Law Enforcement and RDRS, et al – come down to how the registrars react. Perhaps the reps from the Registrar community can be invited to speak about some of the mechanisms they use to protect confidentiality and limit abuse, and specifically what domain registrants can do to minimize their exposure to risk.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Ken</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium; border-style:solid none none; padding:3pt 0in 0in; border-color:currentcolor"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NCUC-EC <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Benjamin Akinmoyeje<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 14, 2024 3:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Andrea Glandon <<a href="mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org">andrea.glandon@icann.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Exec. Comm <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] Agenda-ICANN80 NCUC Membership & Issue Forum</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear NCUC leaders,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Here is a suggestion as I promised yesterday - one suggestion we have so far is this <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">DNS abuse mitigation mechanisms... Law enforcement urgent and confidential requests... PPSAI... Intellectual property overreach. Transfer issues that can affect access to domains</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">Kind regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">Benjamin </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 7:16<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>PM Andrea Glandon <<a href="mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org">andrea.glandon@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt; border-style:none none none solid; padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt; border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hello all,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It’s time to start working on ICANN80 agendas. Please find below links for each NCUC session. The schedule will be available on Monday, 20 May 2024. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1qdHd3_NQJK5FR-spDQF3zOexHbeHHE0wJJtnlZYPZ-Q/edit?usp=sharing__;!!PtGJab4!6UkeVede1vWy8gKJmNCR9eUYKM90-Xz3tj2ik_et4W2E_3A4NpBmZ9qCQijHfozWo7tjGtqDM3YDKZcDQGw77Q$">NCUC Membership Session [docs.google.com]</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1gQA5Jv7zLkMSJx1-oDAxBXfuqx_cs9t4-7KrnArilPA/edit?usp=sharing__;!!PtGJab4!6UkeVede1vWy8gKJmNCR9eUYKM90-Xz3tj2ik_et4W2E_3A4NpBmZ9qCQijHfozWo7tjGtqDM3YDKZcaLCGNmA$">NCUC Issue Forum [docs.google.com]</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks!</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);">Andrea Glandon</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">Policy Operations Coordinator</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);">Skype ID:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"> acglandon76</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(16, 28, 69);"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>NCUC-EC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec__;!!PtGJab4!6UkeVede1vWy8gKJmNCR9eUYKM90-Xz3tj2ik_et4W2E_3A4NpBmZ9qCQijHfozWo7tjGtqDM3YDKZdHyw1-dg$">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec [lists.ncuc.org]</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>NCUC-EC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec__;!!PtGJab4!6UkeVede1vWy8gKJmNCR9eUYKM90-Xz3tj2ik_et4W2E_3A4NpBmZ9qCQijHfozWo7tjGtqDM3YDKZdHyw1-dg$">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec [lists.ncuc.org]</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
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