<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks for all the info, Tapani! <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="plusReplyChip-0" href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com" tabindex="-1">@Benjamin Akinmoyeje</a> and other EC members, maybe this is a good agenda topic (who else to add) to discuss in our next meeting;<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cordially,</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><b>Pedro de Perdigão Lana</b><br></font></font></span><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/" target="_blank">Lawyer</a>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" target="_blank">GEDAI/UFPR</a> Researcher</font></font></span></font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)</font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">Board Member @ <a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/" target="_blank">CC Brasil</a>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://isoc.org.br/" target="_blank">ISOC BR</a></font></font></span> and <a href="https://ioda.org.br/" target="_blank">IODA</a></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></div><div><font size="1"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif">This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received by mistake, please reply informing it.</span></font></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qui., 8 de fev. de 2024 às 07:25, Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncuc@tapani.tarvainen.info">ncuc@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Bruna,<br>
<br>
As Herman observed notices for the website hosting do not go<br>
to same people as domain for renewals. You should still get<br>
the latter, but they only come once a year.<br>
<br>
Tapani<br>
<br>
On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 10:08:55AM +0100, Bruna Martins dos Santos (<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hey all,<br>
> <br>
> Just flagging that i havent received *any* updates on the expiration or any<br>
> sort of notice on the need to change the payment information.<br>
> <br>
> Best,<br>
> B<br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 10:05 AM Ken Herman <<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com" target="_blank">ken@kherman.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Thanks, Tapani,<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi Brenden. Thanks for looking after the system for us! Please let us know<br>
> > how can we help in any way.<br>
> ><br>
> > Ken<br>
> ><br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: 'Tapani Tarvainen' <<a href="mailto:ncuc@tapani.tarvainen.info" target="_blank">ncuc@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>><br>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:01 AM<br>
> > To: Ken Herman <<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com" target="_blank">ken@kherman.com</a>><br>
> > Cc: 'Pedro de Perdigão Lana' <<a href="mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com" target="_blank">pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com</a>>; 'Benjamin<br>
> > Akinmoyeje' <<a href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com" target="_blank">benakin@gmail.com</a>>; 'Johan Helsingius' <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a>>;<br>
> > 'Exec. Comm' <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>>; 'Brenden Kuerbis' <<br>
> > <a href="mailto:bkuerbis@internetgovernance.org" target="_blank">bkuerbis@internetgovernance.org</a>><br>
> > Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] <a href="http://ncuc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ncuc.org</a> seems to be down<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi Herman,<br>
> ><br>
> > Good point: it was indeed the web hosting, not the domain, and notice was<br>
> > presumably sent to Brenden only.<br>
> ><br>
> > Gandi does allow adding additional recipients for the accounts as well,<br>
> > however that has to be done separately. It might be a good idea to add a<br>
> > few extra addresses there.<br>
> ><br>
> > As for how the payments are handled, perhaps Brenden could explain it in<br>
> > mode detail.<br>
> ><br>
> > Best,<br>
> ><br>
> > Tapani<br>
> ><br>
> > On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 03:08:32AM -0500, Ken Herman (<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com" target="_blank">ken@kherman.com</a>)<br>
> > wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Thanks Tapani. This is very helpful.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I am unclear, however, as to where the issue resided. Was it the web<br>
> > hosting contract or the domain name registration? I presume it was the web<br>
> > hosting, then probably the notices would have gone only to the account<br>
> > holder at Gandi. Also, it would be good to know how this is being paid for,<br>
> > as in whose credit card is being used for this.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The more information we have as the EC, the better decisions we can make<br>
> > about dealing with these issues as they arise.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Ken<br>
> > ><br>
> > > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > > From: Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncuc@tapani.tarvainen.info" target="_blank">ncuc@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>><br>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 2:28 AM<br>
> > > To: Pedro de Perdigão Lana <<a href="mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com" target="_blank">pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > > Cc: Benjamin Akinmoyeje <<a href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com" target="_blank">benakin@gmail.com</a>>; Ken Herman<br>
> > > <<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com" target="_blank">ken@kherman.com</a>>; Johan Helsingius <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a>>; Exec. Comm<br>
> > > <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>>; Brenden Kuerbis<br>
> > > <<a href="mailto:bkuerbis@internetgovernance.org" target="_blank">bkuerbis@internetgovernance.org</a>><br>
> > > Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] <a href="http://ncuc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ncuc.org</a> seems to be down<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Dear all,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > First of all, the problem has now been fixed and the site is up again,<br>
> > so the situation is no longer urgent.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > As for the notifications, at the moment they go to:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > (1) Brenden, who holds the registrant email and manages the payments<br>
> > > in practice - the problem was a typo in credit card change;<br>
> > ><br>
> > > (2) Bruna, who is the admin contact as former NCUC Chair, perhaps that<br>
> > > should be changed; and<br>
> > ><br>
> > > (3) Milton, who is the billing contact as the treasurer of NCUC.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Also, the technical contact is David Cake (but I don't think he gets<br>
> > billing-related notifications). I don't know how much he's been involved of<br>
> > late, perhaps someone else would be better for that role.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In addition I have been given effective administrative access by<br>
> > Brenden, so I can help with things at Gandi, but I'm just a backup there, I<br>
> > don't get notifications &c.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Tapani<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2024 at 09:17:57PM -0300, Pedro de Perdigão Lana (<br>
> > <a href="mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com" target="_blank">pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > In what e-mail are we receiving notifications from Gandi?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Cordially,<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*<br>
> > > > Lawyer <<a href="https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/</a>>, GEDAI/UFPR<br>
> > > > <<a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.gedai.com.br/</a>> Researcher PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in<br>
> > > > Business Law (UCoimbra) Board Member @ CC Brasil<br>
> > > > <<a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://br.creativecommons.net/</a>>, ISOC BR <<a href="https://isoc.org.br/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://isoc.org.br/</a>><br>
> > > > and IODA <<a href="https://ioda.org.br/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ioda.org.br/</a>> This message is restricted to the<br>
> > > > sender and recipient(s). If received by mistake, please reply<br>
> > informing it.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Em qua., 7 de fev. de 2024 às 20:03, Benjamin Akinmoyeje<br>
> > > > <<a href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com" target="_blank">benakin@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > > > escreveu:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > > Dear Tapani,<br>
> > > > > Please, how do we get the invoice?<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Kind regards,<br>
> > > > > Benjamin<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 10:12 PM Tapani Tarvainen <<br>
> > > > > <a href="mailto:ncuc@tapani.tarvainen.info" target="_blank">ncuc@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>> wrote:<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > >> It's down because its renewal hasn't been paid. Gandi warns it'll<br>
> > > > >> be soon permanently deleted, so I'd suggest getting it paid ASAP.<br>
> > > > >><br>
> > > > >> Tapani<br>
> > > > >><br>
> > > > >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2024 at 12:44:37PM -0500, Ken Herman<br>
> > > > >> (<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com" target="_blank">ken@kherman.com</a>)<br>
> > > > >> wrote:<br>
> > > > >> ><br>
> > > > >> > The e-team looks after it.<br>
> > > > >> ><br>
> > > > >> > I believe that Tapani is involved.<br>
> > > > >> ><br>
> > > > >> > Ken<br>
> > > > >> ><br>
> > > > >> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > > > >> > From: NCUC-EC <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>> On Behalf Of<br>
> > > > >> > Johan<br>
> > > > >> Helsingius via NCUC-EC<br>
> > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 12:32 PM<br>
> > > > >> > To: Pedro de Perdigão Lana <<a href="mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com" target="_blank">pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > > > >> > Cc: Exec. Comm <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
> > > > >> > Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] <a href="http://ncuc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ncuc.org</a> seems to be down<br>
> > > > >> ><br>
> > > > >> > I have no idea - it is hosted by the French domain and hosting<br>
> > > > >> > company<br>
> > > > >> Gandi (<a href="https://www.gandi.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.gandi.net</a>).<br>
> > > > >> ><br>
> > > > >> > Julf<br>
> > > > >> ><br>
> > > > >> ><br>
> > > > >> > On 07/02/2024 18:25, Pedro de Perdigão Lana wrote:<br>
> > > > >> > > Who is in charge of our hosting? Is it something provided<br>
> > > > >> > > within ICANN, a hired service or managed directly by members?<br>
> > > > >> > ><br>
> > > > >> > > Cordially,<br>
> > > > >> > ><br>
> > > > >> > > *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*<br>
> > > > >> > > Lawyer <<a href="https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/</a>>, GEDAI/UFPR<br>
> > > > >> > > <<a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.gedai.com.br/</a>> Researcher PhD Candidate (UFPR),<br>
> > > > >> > > LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra) Board Member @ CC Brasil<br>
> > > > >> > > <<a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://br.creativecommons.net/</a>>, ISOC BR<br>
> > > > >> > > <<a href="https://isoc.org.br/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://isoc.org.br/</a>><br>
> > > > >> and<br>
> > > > >> > > IODA <<a href="https://ioda.org.br/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ioda.org.br/</a>> This message is restricted to the<br>
> > > > >> > > sender and recipient(s). If received by mistake, please reply<br>
> > informing it.<br>
> > > > >> > ><br>
> > > > >> > ><br>
> > > > >> > > Em qua., 7 de fev. de 2024 às 14:11, Johan Helsingius via<br>
> > > > >> > > NCUC-EC <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>>><br>
> > escreveu:<br>
> > > > >> > ><br>
> > > > >> > > <a href="https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/ncuc.org.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/ncuc.org.html</a><br>
> > > > >> > > <<a href="https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/ncuc.org.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/ncuc.org.html</a>><br>
> > > > >> > ><br>
> > > > >> > > Julf<br>
> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________<br>
> > > > >> > > NCUC-EC mailing list<br>
> > > > >> > > <a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
> > > > >> > > <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><br>
> > > > >> > > <<a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a>><br>
> > > > >> > ><br>
> > > > >> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > > > >> > NCUC-EC mailing list<br>
> > > > >> > <a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
> > > > >> > <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><br>
> > > > >> ><br>
> > > > >> _______________________________________________<br>
> > > > >> NCUC-EC mailing list<br>
> > > > >> <a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
> > > > >> <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><br>
> > > > >><br>
> > > > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > --<br>
> > > Tapani Tarvainen<br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Tapani Tarvainen<br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > NCUC-EC mailing list<br>
> > <a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
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> ><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> <br>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *<br>
> <br>
> Global Campaigns Manager | Digital Action <<a href="http://digitalaction.co" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://digitalaction.co</a>><br>
> <br>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von<br>
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