<div dir="ltr">Dear Kathy,<div>Good day and I hope your week is going well. </div><div>I am coming back to you based on the question you asked me about a month ago.</div><div><br></div><div>The final cost I have received for the report writing is 300 USD.  </div><div><br></div><div>Initially, I responded that it was supposed to be a stipend, but my understanding was that it would be cheaper for online outsourcing. I believe I was wrong in my assumption.</div><div><br></div><div>I hope we can do this better in the future.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Benjamin </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 8:32 PM Kathy Kleiman <kathy@dnrc.tech> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

  
    
  
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    <p>Benjamin and All,</p>
    <p>The question is on the table: why are we paying anyone to
      summarize our work?  The Issues Forum (Parts I and II) took many,
      many hours of planning, drafting, slides, and preparation. Yet, no
      one in NCUC can summarize it?  That's a traditional entry role to
      policy - someone summarizing current policy debate and finding
      their own views and voice for policy work.</p>
    <p>I have not gotten any answers yet: how much have we promised
      someone to write a summary and why could not one of the people
      paid for travel to ICANN78 write this summary (for free)?</p>
    <p>These are very simple questions pending since ICANN78- and I've
      been sent in circles (a waste of a volunteer's time).</p>
    <p>Benjamin, you said Mili would know; Mili, you said Benjamin will
      answer.  I'm now offline.<br>
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    <p>K<br>
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    <div>On 11/9/2023 11:22 PM, Benjamin
      Akinmoyeje wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">Dear All,
          <div>I'm sorry for not getting back to you sooner.</div>
          <div><br>
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          <div>I have the expectation of the sum of 2500 USD from PIR, I
            am yet to confirm from Milton if NCUC has received the
            funds.</div>
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          <div>Just like the last event, I only get notified of the
            funds and Milton is fully in charge of its management. For
            ICANN78 expenditure, we expect some invoices for the report
            and meals served at the Issue forum.</div>
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          <div>Kind regards,</div>
          <div>Benjamin </div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at
            4:30 AM Mili <<a href="mailto:milisemlani@gmail.com" target="_blank">milisemlani@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="auto">Dear Kathy 
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              <div>  Thanks for your questions. </div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>I would direct these questions to @benjamin and @
                Milton who will be better suited to answer anything
                related to the finances. </div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>As of now the payment has not been made. Once the
                final draft is shared, we will receive the invoice. </div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>Once the invoice is honored, NCUC/SG will own all
                rights to the report. As a standard in the publishing
                world. We (by we I mean NCUC/SG here) are free to share,
                publish and circulate it as we please. </div>
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              <div>I am merely carrying this facilitation as an NCUC
                volunteer in my capacity as the EC member. <br>
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                    <div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span class="gmail_default"></span>With gratitude</span></div>
                    <div><font style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Mili
                        Semlani</font></div>
                    <div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Journalist
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                  On Nov 3, 2023, at 01:49, Kathy Kleiman
                  <a href="mailto:kathy@dnrc.tech" target="_blank"><kathy@dnrc.tech></a> wrote:<br>
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                  <p>Tx Mili, thanks for your response and agreed that
                    it takes a lot of work to make a forum happen.</p>
                  <p>Let me follow-up with two quick questions. Could
                    you share the source of the funds (was this PIR
                    money?) and how much you paid?  Also who owns the
                    report this group produced?  These seem like fair
                    questions, but if there is a concern about
                    transparency, please let me know.</p>
                  <p>Best regards, Kathy<br>
                  </p>
                  <div>On 11/2/2023 10:40 AM, Mili wrote:<br>
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                  <blockquote type="cite"> Hi Kathy
                    <div>  As mentioned in my earlier emails too, we
                      hired a rapporteur (a writing agency that has
                      writers) to prepare this report for us. </div>
                    <div><br>
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                    <div>For everyone’s clarity, I did not write the
                      report. I am merely facilitating it as we divided
                      the various tasks for the issue forum and I took
                      over the task of looking for a rapporteur and co
                      ordinating this. </div>
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                    <div>And yes everyone put in a lot of work to make
                      the issue forum happen and it’s great to see the
                      collective result of all our efforts. </div>
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                          <div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span class="gmail_default"></span>With
                              gratitude</span></div>
                          <div><font style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Mili Semlani</font></div>
                          <div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Journalist & Engagement
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                        On Nov 2, 2023, at 19:56, Kathy Kleiman <a href="mailto:kathy@dnrc.tech" target="_blank"><kathy@dnrc.tech></a>
                        wrote:<br>
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                        <p>Hi Mili,</p>
                        <p>A lot of people spent a lot of time preparing
                          for this issues forum (as well as the first). 
                          Can I ask how much you got paid to write this
                          report (and how  long it took)? <br>
                        </p>
                        <p>Best and thanks,</p>
                        <p>Kathy</p>
                        <p>On 11/2/2023 2:13 AM, Mili Semlani wrote:</p>
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                            <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">  As a part of the
                              20th anniversary celebration, we organised
                              an issue forum at ICANN78. It was decided
                              that we hire a rapporteur to prepare a
                              brief report of the discussion. </div>
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                            <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I have attached
                              the first draft of the report they have
                              sent me. Kindly take a look and let me
                              know if it's okay (check for factual
                              errors, if its readable well and detailed
                              enough for us). <br>
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                            <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Can we add a link
                              to the <span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">comparison between At
                                large and NCSG applicant support
                                proposals (the printed version that you
                                prepared and circulated at the session)
                                to this report? If yes, please share the
                                link or send the document as an
                                attachment. </span></div>
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                            <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Also let me know
                              if there is any other feedback on the
                              attached report, changes, amendments etc.
                              We ideally should share and publish it for
                              our members before the readout scheduled
                              for Nov 6.</div>
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                                                          <div><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>Mili Semlani</b></font></div>
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                              Nov 2023 at 01:59, Kathy Kleiman <a href="mailto:kathy@dnrc.tech" target="_blank"><kathy@dnrc.tech></a>
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                                <p>Hi Mili,</p>
                                <p>Good to see you and Hamburg, and nice
                                  to have a chance to talk. Still in
                                  catch-up mode here; I'll have things
                                  over to you  tomorrow (11/2).</p>
                                <p>Also, what is a soft copy for and who
                                  is the writer?  Not sure I understand
                                  the request... <br>
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                                <p>Best, Kathy<br>
                                </p>
                                <div>On 11/1/2023 11:14 AM, Mili wrote:<br>
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                                <blockquote type="cite"> Noted. @milton
                                  do you have any additional resources,
                                  links that point to this?
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                                  <div>@kathy maybe we can also attach
                                    the comparison between At large and
                                    NCSG applicant support proposals
                                    (the printed version that you
                                    prepared and circulated at the
                                    session). Can you also send me a
                                    soft copy for the same so I can
                                    share it with the writer to
                                    incorporate. </div>
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                                  <div>@all of no further comments, I
                                    will send this with the below
                                    feedback for final drafting. Kindly
                                    let me know by EOD (Nov 1).<br>
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                                          <div><font style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">--</font></div>
                                          <div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span class="gmail_default"></span>With
                                              gratitude</span></div>
                                          <div><font style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Mili Semlani</font></div>
                                          <div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Journalist & Engagement
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                                        On Nov 1, 2023, at 00:37,
                                        Mueller, Milton L <a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank"><milton@gatech.edu></a>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hello,
                                              Mili</span></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
                                              think the report on RVCs
                                              would be improved if we
                                              could attach the framework
                                              Kathy and I developed for
                                              allowable RVCs. It could
                                              also discuss some of the
                                              “stress test” studies we
                                              discussed. </span></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> NCUC-EC <a href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank"><ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org></a>
                                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mili
                                              Semlani<br>
                                              <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday,
                                              October 31, 2023 6:31 AM<br>
                                              <b>To:</b> Exec. Comm <a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank"><ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org></a><br>
                                              <b>Subject:</b> [NCUC-EC]
                                              Report from NCUC issue
                                              forum</span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">  As a part of the 20th
                                                  anniversary
                                                  celebration, we
                                                  organised an issue
                                                  forum at ICANN78. It
                                                  was decided that we
                                                  hire a rapporteur to
                                                  prepare a brief report
                                                  of the discussion. </span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">I have attached the first draft of
                                                  the report they have
                                                  sent me. Kindly take a
                                                  look and let me know
                                                  if it's okay (check
                                                  for factual errors, if
                                                  its readable well and
                                                  detailed enough for
                                                  us). If it's good to
                                                  go and doesn't require
                                                  any changes, we can
                                                  furnish their invoice
                                                  and they will pass the
                                                  rights for us to
                                                  publish this report. </span></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102)">With
                                                          gratitude</span></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Mili
                                                          Semlani</span></b></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal">Community specialist</p>
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President, Domain Name Rights Coalition
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