<div dir="ltr">Dear Mili,<div>Thank you very much for the invoice; however, I have a little challenge with the invoice. If my memory serves me correctly, our discussion about the service cost was supposed to be a token, probably within the range of 100 - 150 USD.</div><div><br></div><div>Paying up to 300 USD for a service that already raised some concerns would require more protocols or due process. </div><div><br></div><div>I recommend that the writer review the invoice to make it easier for us to approve.</div><div>Thank you for the facilitation and support on this work.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Benjamin </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 9:41 AM Mili Semlani <<a href="mailto:milisemlani@gmail.com" target="_blank">milisemlani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi all</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Attached is the invoice for the issue report. As per the usual terms (given my experience working with them for my day job), we need to pay them within 30 days of commissioning the assignment. After which we have full right to use the report and publish it anywhere. We are not required to give them any byline or credit. </div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><font color="#666666">--</font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><font color="#666666">With gratitude</font></span></div><div><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>Mili Semlani</b></font></div><div>Community specialist</div><div><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><a href="https://www.instagram.com/theuntraveller/" target="_blank">Instagram</a></font><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">|</span><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><font color="#0000ff" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/milisemlani/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></font></font></font><br></div><div><div style="letter-spacing:0.13px;line-height:1.2;padding-bottom:0px"><div style="letter-spacing:normal"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 20:46, Benjamin Akinmoyeje <<a href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com" target="_blank">benakin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>  Dear Kathy,<div>Thank you for your response. In requesting support from PIR, this was the list.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 18pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="background:yellow">PIR Support Request:</span></p>

<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 54pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="background:yellow">●<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"">     </span></span><span style="background:yellow">Provide financial support to get
a photographer, refreshments, and rapporteurs for the event.</span></p>

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help support logistical issues for after-event gatherings.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </p></div><div>You can see the extract from the attached document. I did not say Mili would know how much was promised, the invoice that would be submitted will indicate. It should be a token because that was what was agreed upon by the EC. The process of searching for a rapporteur appeared to be time-limited; hence we got the option of outsourcing to an online service. And Mili committed to helping out with that.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The last NCUC issue forum did not have a report; we were fortunate to use Prof Milton's blog as evidence of the event.  This time, my solution to that was to ensure there was provision.</div><div><br></div><div>No one has been paid, and I do not have any invoice to know how much that would be paid.</div><div><br></div><div>The bylaws do not permit me to handle NCUC finance individually or any funding approval, or disbursement, and the NCUC EC would have discussed this at our monthly meeting. Still, Mili could not make it because of the official religious holiday of Diwali. The NCUC EC would have to discuss and approve the invoice and the payment whenever the invoice is submitted.</div><div><br></div><div>I will wait for Mili to facilitate the process of getting the report writer to submit the invoice and the ECs accept and approve the cost as directed by NCUC operating procedures.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Also, find attached the full proposal submitted to PIR.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Benjamin </div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 54pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 54pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 4:30 AM Mili <<a href="mailto:milisemlani@gmail.com" target="_blank">milisemlani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Dear Kathy <div>   </div><div>  Thanks for your questions. </div><div><br></div><div>I would direct these questions to @benjamin and @ Milton who will be better suited to answer anything related to the finances. </div><div><br></div><div>As of now the payment has not been made. Once the final draft is shared, we will receive the invoice. </div><div><br></div><div>Once the invoice is honored, NCUC/SG will own all rights to the report. As a standard in the publishing world. We (by we I mean NCUC/SG here) are free to share, publish and circulate it as we please. </div><div><br></div><div>I am merely carrying this facilitation as an NCUC volunteer in my capacity as the EC member. <br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><div><font style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">--</font></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span class="gmail_default"></span>With gratitude</span></div><div><font style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Mili Semlani</font></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Journalist & Engagement Manager </span></div><div><div style="line-height:1.2;padding-bottom:0px"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Founder @ <a href="http://youth4ig.asia/" target="_blank">Youth4IG</a><br></span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><font style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font><a href="https://www.instagram.com/theuntraveller/" target="_blank">Instagram</a></font> | <font><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/milisemlani/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></font></font></font></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Nov 3, 2023, at 01:49, Kathy Kleiman <kathy@dnrc.tech> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir="ltr">

  
    
  
  
    <p>Tx Mili, thanks for your response and agreed that it takes a lot
      of work to make a forum happen.</p>
    <p>Let me follow-up with two quick questions. Could you share the
      source of the funds (was this PIR money?) and how much you paid? 
      Also who owns the report this group produced?  These seem like
      fair questions, but if there is a concern about transparency,
      please let me know.</p>
    <p>Best regards, Kathy<br>
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    <div>On 11/2/2023 10:40 AM, Mili wrote:<br>
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      Hi Kathy
      <div>  As mentioned in my earlier emails too, we hired a
        rapporteur (a writing agency that has writers) to prepare this
        report for us. </div>
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      <div>For everyone’s clarity, I did not write the report. I am
        merely facilitating it as we divided the various tasks for the
        issue forum and I took over the task of looking for a rapporteur
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      <div>And yes everyone put in a lot of work to make the issue forum
        happen and it’s great to see the collective result of all our
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            <div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span class="gmail_default"></span>With gratitude</span></div>
            <div><font style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Mili
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          On Nov 2, 2023, at 19:56, Kathy Kleiman
          <a href="mailto:kathy@dnrc.tech" target="_blank"><kathy@dnrc.tech></a> wrote:<br>
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          <p>Hi Mili,</p>
          <p>A lot of people spent a lot of time preparing for this
            issues forum (as well as the first).  Can I ask how much you
            got paid to write this report (and how  long it took)? <br>
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          <p>Best and thanks,</p>
          <p>Kathy</p>
          <p>On 11/2/2023 2:13 AM, Mili Semlani wrote:</p>
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                As a part of the 20th anniversary celebration, we
                organised an issue forum at ICANN78. It was decided that
                we hire a rapporteur to prepare a brief report of the
                discussion. </div>
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              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I
                have attached the first draft of the report they have
                sent me. Kindly take a look and let me know if it's okay
                (check for factual errors, if its readable well and
                detailed enough for us). <br>
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              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Can
                we add a link to the <span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">comparison
                  between At large and NCSG applicant support proposals
                  (the printed version that you prepared and circulated
                  at the session) to this report? If yes, please share
                  the link or send the document as an attachment. </span></div>
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              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Also
                let me know if there is any other feedback on the
                attached report, changes, amendments etc. We ideally
                should share and publish it for our members before the
                readout scheduled for Nov 6.</div>
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                                                          <div><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>Mili Semlani</b></font></div>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at
                01:59, Kathy Kleiman <a href="mailto:kathy@dnrc.tech" target="_blank"><kathy@dnrc.tech></a>
                wrote:<br>
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                  <p>Hi Mili,</p>
                  <p>Good to see you and Hamburg, and nice to have a
                    chance to talk. Still in catch-up mode here; I'll
                    have things over to you  tomorrow (11/2).</p>
                  <p>Also, what is a soft copy for and who is the
                    writer?  Not sure I understand the request... <br>
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                  <p>Best, Kathy<br>
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                  <div>On 11/1/2023 11:14 AM, Mili wrote:<br>
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                  <blockquote type="cite"> Noted. @milton do you have
                    any additional resources, links that point to this?
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                    <div>@kathy maybe we can also attach the comparison
                      between At large and NCSG applicant support
                      proposals (the printed version that you prepared
                      and circulated at the session). Can you also send
                      me a soft copy for the same so I can share it with
                      the writer to incorporate. </div>
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                    <div>@all of no further comments, I will send this
                      with the below feedback for final drafting. Kindly
                      let me know by EOD (Nov 1).<br>
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                          On Nov 1, 2023, at 00:37, Mueller, Milton L <a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank"><milton@gatech.edu></a>
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                                improved if we could attach the
                                framework Kathy and I developed for
                                allowable RVCs. It could also discuss
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> NCUC-EC <a href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank"><ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org></a>
                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mili Semlani<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 31, 2023
                                6:31 AM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> Exec. Comm <a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank"><ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org></a><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> [NCUC-EC] Report from
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                                    organised an issue forum at ICANN78.
                                    It was decided that we hire a
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">I have attached the first draft of
                                    the report they have sent me. Kindly
                                    take a look and let me know if it's
                                    okay (check for factual errors, if
                                    its readable well and detailed
                                    enough for us). If it's good to go
                                    and doesn't require any changes, we
                                    can furnish their invoice and they
                                    will pass the rights for us to
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