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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hello Amin.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for your comments. The document is open for editing by all concerned, so please make whatever changes you feel are necessary (best to use the track change function). <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ken<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Amin Hacha <aminhacha@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 1, 2023 4:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ken Herman <ken@kherman.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin@gmail.com>; Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info>; Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon@icann.org>; David Morar <davidcristianmorar@gmail.com>; Olga Kyryliuk <olga_kyryliuk@ukr.net>; Exec. Comm <ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] E-Team Engagement<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Greetings all. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Starting, I want to express my appreciation to Olga for her valuable time and efforts.<br><br>Thanks, Ken for the meeting brief. <br><br>I would like to bring attention to some points that were discussed and not mentioned in the meeting brief, as well as provide further suggestions on specific matters.<br><br>Firstly, during the meeting, I expressed that me and David, we are ready to volunteer to handle and make the forthcoming update, especially since we had several meetings discussing that with Benjamin ( during ICANN 76 and 77). Also, Benjamin mentioned our readiness during the meeting. Kindly if possible add that to the meeting brief.<br>And for future reference, I kindly request that my name be mentioned specifically when referring to the individual who offered free hosting, rather than written as "a member of the e-team."<br><br>Regarding the hosting company based in France and the implications of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), as mentioned by Tipani, I recommend gathering more detailed information through Tipani before reaching a final decision. Since I am currently located in Italy, I am not well-versed in the French hosting company's approach to GDPR compliance.<br><br>Furthermore, I have an inquiry concerning the domain name for NCUC. Are we planning to buy a new domain name, or will we continue using the existing one? <br>If to buy a new domain, I propose that NCUC acquires the domain independently to mitigate any potential future issues with the domain's current owner ( the hosting company).<br><br>In today's market, many reputable global companies offer domain names with unlimited hosting capacity and provide free assistance at affordable prices. For example, <a href="http://www.ipage.com">www.ipage.com</a> offers a hosting package for three years at just 2 USD per month, with the domain name included free of charge for the first year, followed by a yearly fee of approximately 15 USD. with 24/7 assistance. This option has been well-tested and trusted.<br>in this case, it is not difficult to upload the new design as it seems done thru WordPress.<br><br>Thank you for your attention to these matters.<br>Enjoy your summertime. <br>Best regards,<br>Amine<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 6:19 PM Ken Herman <<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com">ken@kherman.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hello all.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks for everyone’s contribution.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The link below is my brief summary of today’s discussion. Please edit in places where I might have missed key points.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aeBwOPClnTiNzr6LLcY0K9Ha_JrRmWTXLqa585_fOYw/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aeBwOPClnTiNzr6LLcY0K9Ha_JrRmWTXLqa585_fOYw/edit?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ken<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> NCUC-EC <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Benjamin Akinmoyeje<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 29, 2023 3:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" target="_blank">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>>; Amin Hacha <<a href="mailto:aminhacha@gmail.com" target="_blank">aminhacha@gmail.com</a>>; Andrea Glandon <<a href="mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org" target="_blank">andrea.glandon@icann.org</a>>; David Morar <<a href="mailto:davidcristianmorar@gmail.com" target="_blank">davidcristianmorar@gmail.com</a>>; Olga Kyryliuk <<a href="mailto:olga_kyryliuk@ukr.net" target="_blank">olga_kyryliuk@ukr.net</a>>; Exec. Comm <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] E-Team Engagement<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear Andrea,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Good day to you and I hope you are doing well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Please can you help create a Zoom meeting for us the eTeam and Olga to meet.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Please it would be great if you can invite everyone on this mail trail.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The date and time of the meeting is July 31, 2023, and by 6 pm Kyiv time.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Benjamin <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 4:07 PM Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" target="_blank">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I can do July 31 at that time. Probably could arrange the latter<br>options as well but would have to look at specific times.<br><br>Tapani<br><br>On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 08:44:21AM +0000, Benjamin Akinmoyeje (<a href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com" target="_blank">benakin@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br>> <br>> Dear eTeam,<br>> Good day to you.<br>> <br>> Please here is the time availability I got from Olga<br>> <br>> “So if you want a call, let’s make smth quick for 30 minutes max with EC<br>> inviting Tapani who can explain what is the challenge on his side. I can<br>> make it for a call on 31 July after 6 pm (Kyiv time, UTC+3), 3 August after<br>> 4 pm and 5 August any time at the moment.”<br>> <br>> <br>> I will recommend July 31st please<br>> <br>> <br>> Looking forward to hear from you.<br>> <br>> Kind regards,<br>> Benjamin<br>> <br>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 at 2:16 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" target="_blank">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> <br>> > So, a brief summary of the situation as I see it:<br>> ><br>> > Olga and her friend Dusan have designed a new website, which you can<br>> > see at <a href="http://www2.ncuc.org" target="_blank">www2.ncuc.org</a>. Contentwise it's no more up-to-date than the<br>> > old one, but it should be easy to update (the old one isn't as you<br>> > presumably know, I won't go into the reasons for that now).<br>> ><br>> > The first decision would be if the new design is good enough<br>> > to move forward with. (I think it is.)<br>> ><br>> > There are some compatibility issues with the current VPN where<br>> > it now is. They are not trivial to solve because the old mailing<br>> > list software (<a href="http://lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">lists.ncuc.org</a>) needs different (older) versions<br>> > of some stuff, and we don't want to break the mailing lists.<br>> ><br>> > Easiest solution from my perspective here is getting another VPN and<br>> > separate the mailing list and website to their own VPNs. This will<br>> > cost something to the order of $10/month.<br>> ><br>> > So that's the second decision. I can set up a new VPN in<br>> > a few minuts once you confirm someone will pay for it.<br>> ><br>> > Once that's up and the new wordpress setup is there, it's contents<br>> > would need to be updated. Not all that much new content is needed,<br>> > most important is to make sure that whatever is there is current,<br>> > notably EC and other committee memberships. Some subsections are also<br>> > completely empty now, but could be populated simply by copying content<br>> > from the old site.<br>> ><br>> > Publication of the new site could be done in two ways:<br>> ><br>> > (1) keep it in a temporary location (www2 or whatever) until the<br>> > contents are more or less up to date and then change the URL to<br>> > <a href="http://www.ncuc.org" target="_blank">www.ncuc.org</a> and announce it to the world.<br>> ><br>> > (2) switch URL immediately, that is make <a href="http://www.ncuc.org" target="_blank">www.ncuc.org</a> point to<br>> > the new design even while incomplete and update it there.<br>> ><br>> > Difference between those is mainly in the optics as it were, how<br>> > things look like while it's being worked on. The first would be<br>> > prettier, more glamorous so to speak, but if nobody then takes up the<br>> > content work it could hang in a limbo for a long time.<br>> ><br>> > That's the third decision.<br>> ><br>> > But what that leads to is continued maintenance of the site,<br>> > both content (Wordpress) and back end.<br>> ><br>> > Pretty much everybody should be able to learn what it takes to to edit<br>> > WP content in a matter of minutes, although some care (and<br>> > documentation!) would be needed to keep the site consistent in what's<br>> > where. But you'd need several people doing that enough that they don't<br>> > forget how it works.<br>> ><br>> > So the fourth decision is, who'd be doing that.<br>> ><br>> > The back end I can manage for now, but at least in the long run it<br>> > would be necessary to have a backup sysadmin in case I'm run over<br>> > by a bus or die of old age or something, and for that you'd need<br>> > someone with Linux sysadmin skills. There are also options for<br>> > managed hosting where that'd be somewhat easier, at extra cost<br>> > (of course), which might make sense at some point.<br>> ><br>> > Deciding on that isn't as urgent, but for the record it's one<br>> > more question to decide on at some point.<br>> ><br>> > OK, it wasn't all that brief... but I think I got most of<br>> > the issues covered.<br>> ><br>> > --<br>> > Tapani Tarvainen<br>> ><br><br>-- <br>Tapani Tarvainen<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>