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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Raphael. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Looks great! Thanks for drafting it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix <rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 13, 2021 8:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ken Herman <ken@kherman.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Exec. Comm <ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] FY22 ABR - change of mind on consultation process?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks all<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Here is what I would suggest for the email: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/10px9kq2bE6ATXyJlZncRyVmWR6Ou-QoZWNVkrW8tLoM/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/10px9kq2bE6ATXyJlZncRyVmWR6Ou-QoZWNVkrW8tLoM/edit?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Let me know by tomorrow (Thursday) night and I will submit it then. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:29 AM Ken Herman <<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com">ken@kherman.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Raphael, thanks for the thoughtful consideration of the process and I agree with you, and Olga and Mili, that an email call is a more productive approach.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ken<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> NCUC-EC <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mili Semlani<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:45 AM<br><b>To:</b> Olga Kyryliuk <<a href="mailto:olga_kyryliuk@ukr.net" target="_blank">olga_kyryliuk@ukr.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Exec. Comm <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] FY22 ABR - change of mind on consultation process?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Hi Raphael </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Yes I second this thought. It is something our membership is used to...email thread consultation. Also usually have a draft to look at and then suggest ideas that work as a better stimulant than staring at a blank form. If anything our chances of getting some opinions is surely higher via email and it will solve our transparency issue too. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>In case we are flooded with ideas, I volunteer to sift through the thread and add a matrix to the ABR working doc. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#666666'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#666666'>With gratitude</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Mili Semlani</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Journalist & Engagement Manager </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Founder @ <a href="http://youth4ig.asia" target="_blank">Youth4IG</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'><a href="https://www.instagram.com/theuntraveller/" target="_blank">Instagram</a></span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'> | </span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/milisemlani/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>LinkedIn</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 at 01:02, Olga Kyryliuk <<a href="mailto:olga_kyryliuk@ukr.net" target="_blank">olga_kyryliuk@ukr.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Hi Raphael,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I support the suggestion to go ahead with the discussion via the mailing list. I presume the majority would go with "+1ing" but we might still get some fresh ideas. I'm a bit overwhelmed with tasks these days but I will definitely think of some concrete proposal for ABR for the next week. Once I have smth specific formulated in my mind, will directly share it with you.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Olga</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>12 января 2021, 03:27:29, от "Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix" <</span></i><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</span></a></span></i><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>>:</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi all, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I am having second thoughts about the Google form regarding the FY22 ABR. Here is what I ran into when trying to draft it:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>It makes little sense to ask members what they would like to see improved with our website or social media presence, outside of more content and more frequent updates. Content is our job. We can certainly improve the interface by working with web developers, and that can probably fit in an ABR, but its not a consultation through a Google Form that is going to give us the kind of input we would need at this point.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Generally, people will not be encouraged to develop ideas on the form, while they may be if they write it in an email thread. Specifically, people may build upon what others say more easily. I think the form would make this process more stunted. In the end, what we want from the membership is ideas that will form into a concrete proposal and that will fit in the request form. It's easier to structure a discussion in an email thread.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Finally, we can reasonably expect a low participation on that matter overall. Hence, opening an email thread should not turn into something unmanageable, anyway.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I recognize this is a departure from what we have agreed earlier today, but as I tried doing it, it appeared to me it might not have been the best idea in the end.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I think I would rather start a thread on the list, laying out the rules and saying that we believe our web presence and promo materials could benefit from an ABR, without closing the door to any other proposal from the membership, as long as whoever proposes is willing to carry some weight in fleshing out their idea. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Let me know what you think, if possible by tomorrow night UTC, so that we can move forward with that. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thank you and have a nice day, <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><pre style='margin-bottom:3.75pt'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:3.75pt'>NCUC-EC mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:3.75pt'><a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:3.75pt'><a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>NCUC-EC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NCUC-EC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>