<div dir="ltr">Hi Renata,<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le lun. 9 juil. 2018 à 23:24, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Rafik<br>
<br>
Thanks for your advice.<br>
With both yours and Farzaneh`s opposition to a PC NCUC, that leaves<br>
the EC in a difficult place.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I am mindful to not get involved too much in this process for several reason and go back and forth in email discussion. so I will try to elaborate my arguments and respond to some of yours.</div><div>First, I was asked for advice and suggestion. I never expressed opposition to NCUC PC or said that.</div><div>what I tried to explain in details is: the context how get that in bylaws, what was envisioned and made suggestion on how to move forward. my concern is giving the NCUC PC real condition to succeed. I am speaking here based the previous with NCSG committees themseles including PC and FC, also other self-organized ones. I saw enough experiences failing regardless of the goodwill in the beginning. maybe that is the engineer on me.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
NCUC has Operating Procedures with about 1 year old, the term of the<br>
new appointees doesn`t need to be up until the election (like NCUC<br>
Nomcom rep isn`t).<br>
If there would be a need for procedures I`m sure just a clear set of<br>
guidelines would do.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>the terms are influenced by a simple reason: yearly election for the council and so that is chaning NCUC PC composition, also newly elected NCUC EC will confirm or appoint representatives to the different committees or groups. I don't see how the term of those appointed to NCUC PC cannot be aligned with that.</div><div><br></div><div>btw the EC can amend and add new procedures when needed. it is a way to document processes and also includes new isseus when EC face them.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
But, alas, we can`t have a PC NCUC to serve to NCSG with NCSG objection.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>that is not correct statement. there is no from NCSG. as we said many times, there is no NCSG , NCUC divide. what you heard it is opinion from Farzaneh and myself. </div><div>I would like to request kindly to avoid this another time.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
That is also concerning since our sister constituency has its PC,<br>
including some who are our members too, who have tried initiaves with<br>
NCUC in policy but found other avenues at NPOC, such as their PC.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I cannot speak for NPOC and I am not familiar for the reasons behidn that. I cannot specualte if it will succeed or not. I can wish them bon courage for their endeavour. </div><div>I also disagree with this argument of NCUC members joining NPOC. I think you are talking about one person and she has the right to join if she think that she can help there. I believe she is still active here and also active in NCSG for policy. </div><div>I dont believe that a PC as mandated by the bylaws is the correct vehicle for any kind of capacity building. there are other ways to do so and can be self-organized and with less hassle and formality.</div><div>when you work on guidelines for NCUC PC, you can elaborate how it can help with EC to engage more members on policy and get them invovled.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I`m also surprised by the idea of giving up on doing things or stop<br>
moving giving elections is coming up.<br>
We should work on building, rather than stalling. If in the future<br>
there needs to be improvement or rebuilding it is not something that<br>
should justify a standstill.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>nobody said stop doing things, in fact it is the opposite since the suggestion is to focus on building ground work to let this NCUC PC succeeed in future and give a strong foundations to be sustanaible. that would have more lasting effect and imapct than just initiating a committee that may fail in few months and so disouraging future efforts.</div><div>give the chance a real chance to succeed. I know that the prep and ground work is not fun neither "sexy" and visible like other task but it has much more impact. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
There has never been such a posture among NCUC leaders that I remember<br>
and it is quite uncanny to start this now.<br>
Even without trust on current or future leadership, the lack of action<br>
is the most disregard one can show towards the constituency<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>there is no lack of action, I see more people thinking and trying to plan to ensure success</div><div>we need to be careful with this "tyranny of action" or desire to be doing something all the time. people can take time to think, analyze, plan and then execute and get feedback, to get things right. even when people use agile approach, there is still prioritization and planning involved. </div><div>that is why I asked : why not having a whole implementation plan for whatever needs to be implemented from the charter. just cherry-picking is not the most efficient way to do things.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I was far from being the main co-drafter of these bylaws, previous<br>
leadership were. Yet I think they are crucial to follow and we are<br>
mandated by board to implement them. So we read them up and try to do<br>
what is in there. How we plan to do it is trusting you and Farzaneh to<br>
be supporters with NCUC, with advice on the way follow.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>again nobody said dont implement. what it was asked is to have plan for that in order to ensure a good rate of success and support. </div><div>btw the board doesn't mandate anything here, it is not a top-down thing (the baord reviewed the process for bylaws amendment , asked questions and approved as it is). We as NCUC added those elements in bylaws because we thought important. so it is NCUC will decide how to implement them carefully.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Well, we have a lot on our plate so PC NCUC is one of many tasks on<br>
our list. It is up to the EC whether we should move forward.<br>
As NCUC, I see no reason why we shouldn`t do these 2 appointments left<br>
for 1 year term.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>if there are so many tasks, I think EC can prioritize and decide. I am not aware what are those tasks to be done but I guess it good to discuss and plan.</div><div>I don't see no reason why the EC shouldnt work on the guidelines instead. appointing for the sake of appointing is just puzzling . </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If we still need better guidelines for the PC-NCUC we can discuss with<br>
these new contributors involved.<br>
However, majority rules here.<br>
And would be best to decide on this with a better response than "we<br>
stopped for elections".<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>no it would be "we worked on the procedures and guidelines to ensure NCUC PC success and preparing for whoever succeed the EC"</div><div>that is point, any leadership works on foundations to leave things ready and handed over for the next leadership. My NCUC EC worked on bylaws amendment and get it approved by members, Farzaneh EC worked on operating procedures and following-up the bylaws process with ICANN staff and board, always preparing for the next EC. Your EC is operating using those procedures and exploring others things to be done to expand the activities, has the chance to work on implementation plan and so having impact for the next EC to be elected.</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, I think I made my points clear and tried to elaborate as much as possible. I leave this to EC to use as input or not, no hurt feeling.</div><div>Thanks and good luck.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:20 PM, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> I would start first to give some background and context as I explained<br>
> partly in NCSG or NCUC list. The PC is not a new idea, it was in previous<br>
> NCUC Bylaws even predating NCSG formation. What happened is when NCSG was<br>
> formed and NCUC position was to move all policy to SG level, the NCUC PC<br>
> became dormant de facto and even previous NCUC bylaws inconsistent with NCSG<br>
> charter as not updated. When Farzaneh, myself and other members of EC worked<br>
> on the last bylaws review, we updated the text, made it consistent it with<br>
> the NCSG charter and also took into account some previous cases.<br>
><br>
> As I said, NCUC position since GNSO restructuring and moving to SG model was<br>
> to do policy at SG level. However, there were rare cases when NCUC could<br>
> make a statement and NCUC EC was in a situation to endorse it while it is<br>
> not its remit. The new bylaws make the NCUC PC as a vehicle for that and can<br>
> be used when needed and relevant such supporting NCSG position to give more<br>
> weight.<br>
><br>
> With regard to implementing the new bylaws in general, I think it would be<br>
> more useful to think about an implementation plan first. For example, it was<br>
> unclear why EC decided to start with Vice-chair position and what was the<br>
> rationale for such priority. With an implementation plan, such action could<br>
> have been discussed and prioritized. I believe that instead of trying to<br>
> implement here and there some elements of the new bylaws, it would make<br>
> sense for the EC as a team effort to go through the bylaws, identify what is<br>
> requested to be implemented either as a role, committee or elaborated as<br>
> operating procedures. That would make a draft implementation plan when<br>
> relevant tasks are identified and discussed with membership to decided<br>
> about priority. All elements of bylaws must be implemented but they should<br>
> be done following a plan and outline the tasks needed to be done.<br>
><br>
> so I advise doing that instead of focusing on NCUC PC only. I also notice<br>
> that members raised concerns on the mailing list and I cannot talk what was<br>
> discussed during the session at Panama meeting as I couldn't attend it<br>
> because of a clash with council session. With a full implementation plan and<br>
> explanation, I think a proper consultation can be done with membership and<br>
> that would help a lot for communication.<br>
><br>
> with regard to NCUC PC, I think before focusing on composition which<br>
> articulated enough in bylaws, it is important to work on related operating<br>
> procedures and more the guidelines. Concerns were made about syncing and<br>
> coordinating with NCSG PC and that cannot be just tweaked just around<br>
> representation. While in bylaws we thought that having councilors presences<br>
> plus NCUC rep to NCSG would help, outlining clear guidelines and rules of<br>
> engagement for coordinating and working with NCSG PC are needed before<br>
> setting the NCUC PC in order to avoid duplication, optimizing the work and<br>
> having consistent positions. There is some caveat here, NCSG and NCUC<br>
> elections are just a few weeks away and so composition would change again.<br>
> better to use this precious time by EC to do the groundwork such guidelines<br>
> instead of starting the NCUC PC and not giving it a real chance to succeed.<br>
><br>
> Another point, the role of NCUC PC is indicated by the bylaws, I would<br>
> advise against using it for any other purpose. If for example, you are<br>
> thinking about capacity building, you shouldn't use such a vehicle but<br>
> create another ad-hoc one fit for the purpose. I recall some self-organized<br>
> efforts like having drafters group of newcomers and so on. better to nurture<br>
> those efforts having all kind of flexibility than trying to use a<br>
> bylaws-mandated structure for a specific purpose.<br>
><br>
> Also please stick with the bylaws, for example, I saw in the draft call,<br>
> that NCUC rep to NCSG PC are co-chairs. Bylaws say Chair and vice-chair, so<br>
> you get to follow that and not creating new positions while I may understand<br>
> the rationale. having NCSG and PC chair as observers when NCUC members, is a<br>
> fine proposal.<br>
><br>
> hope that helps.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Rafik<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Le jeu. 5 juil. 2018 à 22:02, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>> a<br>
> écrit :<br>
>><br>
>> Hi<br>
>><br>
>> Answers inline<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:44 AM, farzaneh badii<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:00 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi Farzaneh<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Thanks for these answers<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> So by "priviledge of birth" GNSO Council are already members<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Previeledge of birth???? Members elect them to the council. What birth.<br>
>> > By<br>
>> > being elected to the council they will be on ncuc policy committee.<br>
>> > kindly<br>
>> > choose your words carefully Renata especially as the chair it's<br>
>> > important.<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> [RAR] I would also kindly ask you to reminder not to use your primal<br>
>> response here, which you would have learned it is a primary anger<br>
>> instinct should you have attended NCSG course.<br>
>><br>
>> Of course I`m not talking about birth as in ICANN baby GNSO<br>
>> Councillors, you misinterpret me.<br>
>><br>
>> I`m saying, just like you did, when they are "born" into office,<br>
>> inaugurated, anointed - whichever word for this ritual you may want to<br>
>> use - they become too PC NCUC - automatically, you said.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> As well as PC NCSG are already chair and vice-chair<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Don't understand<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>><br>
>> these also have the automated ritual in place<br>
>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> So the call we'll issue will serve to identify the 2 remaining slots<br>
>> >> and observers<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Yes.<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> So that is what I was confirming<br>
>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> As for the purpose of the PC NCUC being disagreeing w/ PC NCSG that<br>
>> >> also seems impossible to me as they are "automatically" linked<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Well you don't know the rationale behind this. Not always all or most<br>
>> > councilors belong to one constituency. Policy committee is really a<br>
>> > measure<br>
>> > to trigger under special circumstances.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >><br>
>><br>
>> unlikely to happen anytime soon<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> We'll likely have the GNSO Council members as "dorment" in the PC NCUC<br>
>> >> as they are already spread thin on the PC NCSG<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > As I said Policy committee is only needed at constituency level under<br>
>> > special circumstances. You will probably have a dormant NCUC PC even.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>><br>
>> Could be. That doesn`t mean we shouldn`t implement the bylaws as they<br>
>> were approved by the board. It will be up for next NCUC leadership<br>
>> next steps with this PC.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> However, the other purposes of the PC NCUC are legitimate and can help<br>
>> >> also create better communication and participation in policy.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > I'd discuss with NCUC EC the need for pc at the moment. Communication<br>
>> > doesn't have to be through a policy committee. As I did during my term,<br>
>> > I<br>
>> > periodically informed members. Also you need to be careful in not<br>
>> > communicating duplicates of NCSG mailing list people don't want to<br>
>> > receive<br>
>> > two identical email. If you want to help find volunteers etc for writing<br>
>> > public comments then I think that's good but I do not encourage<br>
>> > duplicates.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>><br>
>> We have discussed the PC NCUC during NCUC Members session and we will<br>
>> be careful not issuing duplicate messages as we have been.<br>
>><br>
>> I find the idea itself of not having it as limiting the implementation<br>
>> of bylaws and much more closer to incurring in liability than having<br>
>> it and collectively overseeing it, hopefully with your advice, Rafik`s<br>
>> and whoever wants to chime in.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I`d also believe NCSG Chairs and NCSG PC Chair should be part of the<br>
>> >> committee, although as advisors/observers - again, I'm aware that<br>
>> >> there are already too much tasks on those roles.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> I don't think you should allow ncsg chair and pc automatically become<br>
>> >> observers unless they are ncuc members.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> I think no addition of observer is automatic but if there isn`t a<br>
>> majority of opposition, it is EC decision.<br>
>> EC wants you and Rafik to stay involved and advise us. Sometimes EC<br>
>> may decide their own path but they will always listen.<br>
>> It is important to keep communication between NCUC EC and NCSG Chair<br>
>> (if you don`t want to talk to, let`s say, NCUC Chair).<br>
>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Again, this is a new implementation of our bylaws so we`ll learn it as<br>
>> >> we go along.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Thanks<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Renata<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 12:21 AM, farzaneh badii<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> > Hi<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > In response to Renata, I first want to tell you why the idea having a<br>
>> >> > policy<br>
>> >> > committee is in the bylaws in the first place. My opinion from my<br>
>> >> > experience<br>
>> >> > is that constituency's PC react when 1. consensus not possible at the<br>
>> >> > SG<br>
>> >> > level 2. They want to re-emphasize the points of NCSG PC 3. They want<br>
>> >> > to<br>
>> >> > add<br>
>> >> > to their public comments or modify it.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > The Bylaws say NCUC "shall" have a policy committee. Shall does not<br>
>> >> > mean<br>
>> >> > must, it means "may". So I interpret that if there is a need for a<br>
>> >> > policy<br>
>> >> > committee at the NCUC level then NCUC will convene a policy<br>
>> >> > committee.<br>
>> >> > Seems<br>
>> >> > like you have established the need.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Now we go to Renata's questions:<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> - The members of GNSO Council have seats on this safeguarded by the<br>
>> >> >> bylaws. Is it their obligation or do they need to confirm they want<br>
>> >> >> to<br>
>> >> >> be a part of this?<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > GNSO councilors who are NCUC members are automatically assigned a<br>
>> >> > seat<br>
>> >> > on<br>
>> >> > NCUC PC. They are not obligated to but it's their right to be<br>
>> >> > assigned a<br>
>> >> > seat. So no need for confirmation or acceptance. They already have<br>
>> >> > SOIs<br>
>> >> > for<br>
>> >> > GNSO council.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> - EC has to elect Chair and Vice-chair of the PC NCUC, I assume they<br>
>> >> >> can be out of the safeguarded seats too right?<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > [Paragraph B explicitly says: The Chair and the Vice Chair of the<br>
>> >> > Policy<br>
>> >> > Committee shall be appointed by the EC and the Chair shall also serve<br>
>> >> > on<br>
>> >> > the<br>
>> >> > NCSG Policy Committee. ]<br>
>> >> > This means that the chair of the policy committee should be serving<br>
>> >> > on<br>
>> >> > NCSG<br>
>> >> > PC. So only Farrel or Claudio can be chair. This design is on<br>
>> >> > purpose.<br>
>> >> > The<br>
>> >> > chair of NCUC policy committee has to know what is going in NCSG<br>
>> >> > Policy<br>
>> >> > Committee and see if there are actions required to be taken at NCUC<br>
>> >> > level.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> - Chairs of PC NCSG and NCSG are not referred in the bylaws as part<br>
>> >> >> of<br>
>> >> >> PC NCUC however I`d take it they have to be included and consulted<br>
>> >> >> on<br>
>> >> >> approval of the call as GNSO Council members are under their<br>
>> >> >> purview?<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Well, let me know if I missed anything<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > These two positions are not mentioned because there might come a time<br>
>> >> > that<br>
>> >> > these two positions are not filled by NCUC members. Then you don't<br>
>> >> > want<br>
>> >> > to<br>
>> >> > have non-NCUC members on your PC. But the Bylaws also say that<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > G) "Other individuals shall be invited to participate in the<br>
>> >> > deliberations<br>
>> >> > of the NCUC Policy Committee, including: 1. Members (or their<br>
>> >> > Official<br>
>> >> > Representatives) who are serving on GNSO Working Groups, ICANN<br>
>> >> > Advisory<br>
>> >> > Committees, presidential committees, and other policy bodies<br>
>> >> > (standing<br>
>> >> > or ad<br>
>> >> > hoc) within ICANN; and<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > So in effect, you shall (which means may, not must) invite them if<br>
>> >> > you<br>
>> >> > want.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Farzaneh<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 4:44 PM <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec-request@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec-request@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
>> >> > wrote:<br>
>> >> >><br>
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>> >> >> 1. Call for appointments for PC NCUC - please review by 10 July<br>
>> >> >> (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)<br>
>> >> >> 2. NCUC Members call week of 16 July - Agenda and doodle poll<br>
>> >> >> request (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)<br>
>> >> >> 3. Re: NCUC Members call week of 16 July - Agenda and doodle<br>
>> >> >> poll request (Elsa S)<br>
>> >> >> 4. Re: Call for appointments for PC NCUC - please review by 10<br>
>> >> >> July (Elsa S)<br>
>> >> >> 5. Re: debriefing notes (Mike)<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
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>> >> >> Message: 1<br>
>> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:22:31 -0300<br>
>> >> >> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> To: "Exec. Comm" <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>>, Maryam Bakoshi<br>
>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org" target="_blank">maryam.bakoshi@icann.org</a>><br>
>> >> >> Subject: [NCUC-EC] Call for appointments for PC NCUC - please review<br>
>> >> >> by 10 July<br>
>> >> >> Message-ID:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:CAMokdMw-QxtfNDSxikwp8NPaA3sq7T1K7V2ZWoWpiSFRJj4Ycg@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAMokdMw-QxtfNDSxikwp8NPaA3sq7T1K7V2ZWoWpiSFRJj4Ycg@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Hi all<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> This is the draft of the call for PC NCUC<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rVg0hPQsS9fNfdnNvNCoiLVZm82inH-b9SUIL0KFTvY/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rVg0hPQsS9fNfdnNvNCoiLVZm82inH-b9SUIL0KFTvY/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Maryam, can you please check it too<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> A few doubts:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> - The members of GNSO Council have seats on this safeguarded by the<br>
>> >> >> bylaws. Is it their obligation or do they need to confirm they want<br>
>> >> >> to<br>
>> >> >> be a part of this?<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> - EC has to elect Chair and Vice-chair of the PC NCUC, I assume they<br>
>> >> >> can be out of the safeguarded seats too right?<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> - Chairs of PC NCSG and NCSG are not referred in the bylaws as part<br>
>> >> >> of<br>
>> >> >> PC NCUC however I`d take it they have to be included and consulted<br>
>> >> >> on<br>
>> >> >> approval of the call as GNSO Council members are under their<br>
>> >> >> purview?<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Well, let me know if I missed anything<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Thanks<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> ------------------------------<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Message: 2<br>
>> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:47:44 -0300<br>
>> >> >> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> To: "Exec. Comm" <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>>, Maryam Bakoshi<br>
>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org" target="_blank">maryam.bakoshi@icann.org</a>><br>
>> >> >> Subject: [NCUC-EC] NCUC Members call week of 16 July - Agenda and<br>
>> >> >> doodle poll request<br>
>> >> >> Message-ID:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> <CAMokdMxKvmbi6kDkF6TXybgO0UgL-30Kiyzevfaxt=<a href="mailto:2FJ_BoXA@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">2FJ_BoXA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Hi<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Let`s have a member`s call on the week of the 16th July to try and<br>
>> >> >> inform properly of upcoming news and latest developments<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Provisional agenda:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rCw9naZvd0MstJSyBLtZgzYNveXlB7Roj-OEQAIMDa4/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rCw9naZvd0MstJSyBLtZgzYNveXlB7Roj-OEQAIMDa4/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Maryam can you please send a poll to NCUC-Discuss to find a time on<br>
>> >> >> the week of the 16th?<br>
>> >> >> Times should be Mon - Thu - 13UTC 17UTC or 20UTC<br>
>> >> >> We may do 2 similar if we have enough responses for different times<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Thanks<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> ------------------------------<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Message: 3<br>
>> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 16:27:01 -0400<br>
>> >> >> From: Elsa S <<a href="mailto:elsa.saade@gmail.com" target="_blank">elsa.saade@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> Cc: "Exec. Comm" <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>>, Maryam Bakoshi<br>
>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org" target="_blank">maryam.bakoshi@icann.org</a>><br>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] NCUC Members call week of 16 July - Agenda<br>
>> >> >> and<br>
>> >> >> doodle poll request<br>
>> >> >> Message-ID:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:CAHFwYbeGYURU6QUao9vM7zt0heoHk3c_hYMThC1hxE0wvJYxDw@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAHFwYbeGYURU6QUao9vM7zt0heoHk3c_hYMThC1hxE0wvJYxDw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Thanks Renata, can’t seem to be able to open the google doc! Any<br>
>> >> >> chance<br>
>> >> >> the<br>
>> >> >> link might be broken?<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> E.<br>
>> >> >> —<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:48 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> wrote:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> > Hi<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Let`s have a member`s call on the week of the 16th July to try and<br>
>> >> >> > inform properly of upcoming news and latest developments<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Provisional agenda:<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rCw9naZvd0MstJSyBLtZgzYNveXlB7Roj-OEQAIMDa4/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rCw9naZvd0MstJSyBLtZgzYNveXlB7Roj-OEQAIMDa4/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Maryam can you please send a poll to NCUC-Discuss to find a time<br>
>> >> >> > on<br>
>> >> >> > the week of the 16th?<br>
>> >> >> > Times should be Mon - Thu - 13UTC 17UTC or 20UTC<br>
>> >> >> > We may do 2 similar if we have enough responses for different<br>
>> >> >> > times<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Thanks<br>
>> >> >> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> >> >> > NCUC-EC mailing list<br>
>> >> >> > <a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
>> >> >> > <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> --<br>
>> >> >> --<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Elsa Saade<br>
>> >> >> Consultant<br>
>> >> >> Gulf Centre for Human Rights<br>
>> >> >> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade<br>
>> >> >> -------------- next part --------------<br>
>> >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>
>> >> >> URL:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> <<a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/attachments/20180703/e5e60b6a/attachment-0001.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/attachments/20180703/e5e60b6a/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> ------------------------------<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Message: 4<br>
>> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 16:29:29 -0400<br>
>> >> >> From: Elsa S <<a href="mailto:elsa.saade@gmail.com" target="_blank">elsa.saade@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> Cc: "Exec. Comm" <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>>, Maryam Bakoshi<br>
>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org" target="_blank">maryam.bakoshi@icann.org</a>><br>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Call for appointments for PC NCUC - please<br>
>> >> >> review by 10 July<br>
>> >> >> Message-ID:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:CAHFwYbcKrW0gcxF8%2BkD9wK_5Vdj2WVdEOwKVsh__tJd0DX%2BwrA@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAHFwYbcKrW0gcxF8+kD9wK_5Vdj2WVdEOwKVsh__tJd0DX+wrA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Hey Renata,<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Very valid questions as we should be careful with the operating<br>
>> >> >> procedures<br>
>> >> >> we apply. I’ll be waiting for Maryam’s reply, and maybe some advice<br>
>> >> >> from<br>
>> >> >> Farzi and Rafik on this one.<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Best,<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Elsa<br>
>> >> >> —<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:23 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> wrote:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> > Hi all<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > This is the draft of the call for PC NCUC<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rVg0hPQsS9fNfdnNvNCoiLVZm82inH-b9SUIL0KFTvY/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rVg0hPQsS9fNfdnNvNCoiLVZm82inH-b9SUIL0KFTvY/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Maryam, can you please check it too<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > A few doubts:<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > - The members of GNSO Council have seats on this safeguarded by<br>
>> >> >> > the<br>
>> >> >> > bylaws. Is it their obligation or do they need to confirm they<br>
>> >> >> > want<br>
>> >> >> > to<br>
>> >> >> > be a part of this?<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > - EC has to elect Chair and Vice-chair of the PC NCUC, I assume<br>
>> >> >> > they<br>
>> >> >> > can be out of the safeguarded seats too right?<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > - Chairs of PC NCSG and NCSG are not referred in the bylaws as<br>
>> >> >> > part<br>
>> >> >> > of<br>
>> >> >> > PC NCUC however I`d take it they have to be included and consulted<br>
>> >> >> > on<br>
>> >> >> > approval of the call as GNSO Council members are under their<br>
>> >> >> > purview?<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Well, let me know if I missed anything<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Thanks<br>
>> >> >> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> >> >> > NCUC-EC mailing list<br>
>> >> >> > <a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
>> >> >> > <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> --<br>
>> >> >> --<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Elsa Saade<br>
>> >> >> Consultant<br>
>> >> >> Gulf Centre for Human Rights<br>
>> >> >> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade<br>
>> >> >> -------------- next part --------------<br>
>> >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>
>> >> >> URL:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> <<a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/attachments/20180703/e58f1d46/attachment-0001.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/attachments/20180703/e58f1d46/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> ------------------------------<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Message: 5<br>
>> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 18:21:29 +0900<br>
>> >> >> From: Mike <<a href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com" target="_blank">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> Cc: Elsa S <<a href="mailto:elsa.saade@gmail.com" target="_blank">elsa.saade@gmail.com</a>>, "Exec. Comm"<br>
>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] debriefing notes<br>
>> >> >> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1200B345-004C-41EC-99C1-E79674132FD7@gmail.com" target="_blank">1200B345-004C-41EC-99C1-E79674132FD7@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Hi,<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> I plan on applying for ICANN63, just have to clear a couple if<br>
>> >> >> things<br>
>> >> >> this<br>
>> >> >> week first.<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Michael<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> > On Jul 3, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>> >> >> > <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> > wrote:<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Yes, per travel policy each funded traveler has to write a report<br>
>> >> >> > Since this time you were funded by NCSG that is w them<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > For ICANN63 slots we had no EC candidates<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Should EC wish to apply please get that in order<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Thanks<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Em seg, 2 de jul de 2018 21:13, Elsa S <<a href="mailto:elsa.saade@gmail.com" target="_blank">elsa.saade@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> > escreveu:<br>
>> >> >> >> Thanks Renata! I just added a small comment on the report point<br>
>> >> >> >> to<br>
>> >> >> >> add<br>
>> >> >> >> an action item! Would be happy to help write a report in the next<br>
>> >> >> >> week or<br>
>> >> >> >> two.<br>
>> >> >> >><br>
>> >> >> >> Best,<br>
>> >> >> >><br>
>> >> >> >> Elsa<br>
>> >> >> >> —<br>
>> >> >> >><br>
>> >> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 1:05 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
>> >> >> >>> <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> >> >>> Thank you, Renata! Should we push the idea of the series of post<br>
>> >> >> >>> from<br>
>> >> >> >>> EC members about this past meeting ? Each of us could focus on a<br>
>> >> >> >>> theme/track.<br>
>> >> >> >>><br>
>> >> >> >>> cheers,<br>
>> >> >> >>> B.<br>
>> >> >> >>><br>
>> >> >> >>> 2018-07-02 9:58 GMT-03:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>> >> >> >>> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>> >> >> >>>> Hi<br>
>> >> >> >>>><br>
>> >> >> >>>> Please find here our debriefing ICANN62 meeting notes<br>
>> >> >> >>>><br>
>> >> >> >>>><br>
>> >> >> >>>><br>
>> >> >> >>>><br>
>> >> >> >>>> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hj4uIwKTjFuCnYMAL4db7jewVa8-njegLj43iexPUwg/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hj4uIwKTjFuCnYMAL4db7jewVa8-njegLj43iexPUwg/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
>> >> >> >>>><br>
>> >> >> >>>> Best,<br>
>> >> >> >>>><br>
>> >> >> >>>> Renata<br>
>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> >> >> >>>> NCUC-EC mailing list<br>
>> >> >> >>>> <a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
>> >> >> >>>> <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><br>
>> >> >> >>><br>
>> >> >> >>><br>
>> >> >> >>><br>
>> >> >> >>> --<br>
>> >> >> >>> Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
>> >> >> >>><br>
>> >> >> >>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos<br>
>> >> >> >>> @boomartins<br>
>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> >> >> >>> NCUC-EC mailing list<br>
>> >> >> >>> <a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
>> >> >> >>> <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><br>
>> >> >> >> --<br>
>> >> >> >> --<br>
>> >> >> >><br>
>> >> >> >> Elsa Saade<br>
>> >> >> >> Consultant<br>
>> >> >> >> Gulf Centre for Human Rights<br>
>> >> >> >> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade<br>
>> >> >> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> >> >> > NCUC-EC mailing list<br>
>> >> >> > <a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
>> >> >> > <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><br>
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>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> ------------------------------<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Subject: Digest Footer<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> _______________________________________________<br>
>> >> >> NCUC-EC mailing list<br>
>> >> >> <a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
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>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> ------------------------------<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> End of NCUC-EC Digest, Vol 66, Issue 5<br>
>> >> >> **************************************<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > _______________________________________________<br>
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>> >> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Farzaneh<br>
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